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I would like to know the forum's opinion on the top proven (includes success of offspring) black labradors at stud.

I have not been able to keep up with web site or journals lately; so, I could use some help in refining the list.
 

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When you find out, let me know. There seems to be a large crop of somewhat unproven studs that all have their pluses and minuses. You've got to go back to deceased dogs that have very expensive fees or limited availability to find a really "proven" stud.
 

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I dunno Charles. I'm beginning to think that Grady is on the proven side.
 

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FC AFC Land Ahoy (Pirate)
 

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Retriever Results has a section on top sires and dams (look under Milestones) that reflects progeny that have finished field trials. It includes total progeny, # FC/AFC Titles, # with AA pts, Derby list, and averages for each catgory. Also ncludes breakdowns by stake (Open, Amateur) and Derby. It will be extended to the hunt test arena at some point as well. Data is from 2005 to present. Hope this helps!
 

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I'll amend my answer. FC-AFC Fen Wizzard has shown to be a proven producer. His pups have done well in the derby, and I believe a higher percentage of his pups are transitioning successfully to the all age stakes at a younger age than the dogs mentioned above. The problem with Fen is he sired my bitch, and I can't use him as a sire.
 

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Well Gman pups had a very good weekend Charlie Moody won the open with Jack to get his FC, thats 2 open wins and a open 2nd for a dog that turns 3 in May. Ester Mccartney text me yesterday Rylee earned her AFC yesterday she is a three year old. Clint Joyner got 3rd in the Am yesterday with Big Boy a three year old and high point derby dog. My cowner and training partner Mark Chase got 4th in the am yesterday with Trav who is out of the first Gman litter and is a 4yr old who needs 2 points for his FC. Nick Elam won the Q a blueridge with his gman pup. I think the last count I had Gman was getting close to 30 QAA offspring with his oldest being 4yrs old.
 

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Well Gman pups had a very good weekend Charlie Moody won the open with Jack to get his FC, thats 2 open wins and a open 2nd for a dog that turns 3 in May. Ester Mccartney text me yesterday Rylee earned her AFC yesterday she is a three year old. Clint Joyner got 3rd in the Am yesterday with Big Boy a three year old and high point derby dog. My cowner and training partner Mark Chase got 4th in the am yesterday with Trav who is out of the first Gman litter and is a 4yr old who needs 2 points for his FC. Nick Elam won the Q a blueridge with his gman pup. I think the last count I had Gman was getting close to 30 QAA offspring with his oldest being 4yrs old.
You are darn right Chad, lots to be VERY proud about right there!
 

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When you find out, let me know. There seems to be a large crop of somewhat unproven studs that all have their pluses and minuses. You've got to go back to deceased dogs that have very expensive fees or limited availability to find a really "proven" stud.
how could you say that grady is not a great sire? he will pass lean mac as the top sire in the field trial world.
 

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how could you say that grady is not a great sire? he will pass lean mac as the top sire in the field trial world.
I didn't say that. It's hard for a dog Grady's age to be a really proven sire. The bitches make as much difference as the stud. Time will tell.
 

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I'll amend my answer. FC-AFC Fen Wizzard has shown to be a proven producer. His pups have done well in the derby, and I believe a higher percentage of his pups are transitioning successfully to the all age stakes at a younger age than the dogs mentioned above. The problem with Fen is he sired my bitch, and I can't use him as a sire.
how has fen proven himself more than grady?
 

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how has fen proven himself more than grady?
I don't know that he has. I'm just saying Fen has a pretty high percentage of pups doing well considering the low number of times he has been bred. Could be that Fen's breedings were limited to better bitches. It's all an opinion. Have a nice day.
 

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Google Thomas Merit Award, Field Trial News, (outstanding sires for field trial dogs)
also look at findretrievers.com (point leaders)
 

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Well Gman pups had a very good weekend Charlie Moody won the open with Jack to get his FC, thats 2 open wins and a open 2nd for a dog that turns 3 in May. Ester Mccartney text me yesterday Rylee earned her AFC yesterday she is a three year old. Clint Joyner got 3rd in the Am yesterday with Big Boy a three year old and high point derby dog. My cowner and training partner Mark Chase got 4th in the am yesterday with Trav who is out of the first Gman litter and is a 4yr old who needs 2 points for his FC. Nick Elam won the Q a blueridge with his gman pup. I think the last count I had Gman was getting close to 30 QAA offspring with his oldest being 4yrs old.
Hey Chad, don't forget about Trigger the 6 mth Gman pup... JR Pass at the Weber River Retriever Club Hunt Test, not quite the same league but showing some promiss.... Just hoping he can keep up the family name.
 

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Well Gman pups had a very good weekend Charlie Moody won the open with Jack to get his FC, thats 2 open wins and a open 2nd for a dog that turns 3 in May. Ester Mccartney text me yesterday Rylee earned her AFC yesterday she is a three year old. Clint Joyner got 3rd in the Am yesterday with Big Boy a three year old and high point derby dog. My cowner and training partner Mark Chase got 4th in the am yesterday with Trav who is out of the first Gman litter and is a 4yr old who needs 2 points for his FC. Nick Elam won the Q a blueridge with his gman pup. I think the last count I had Gman was getting close to 30 QAA offspring with his oldest being 4yrs old.
Chad,

Wendy Buckler placed 3rd in the am last weekend. Repo is from JoJo and Grady's litter. Repo placed 2nd in the open a couple weeks ago and has a couple more AA placements this spring. Oh yea, she turned 3 April 22nd. ;)
 

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IF that ever happens we have a long way to go. 30 qaa offspring vs. 150+ FC AFC and 11 national champions. Long way to go but I give praise to any stud dog that is in demand. Whether any dog ever breaks lean Mac... dunno.
 

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If we're allowed to include non-field trialers, I would nominate GHRCH SRSC Barkley's Yankee Thunder MH. Boomer sired a LOT of nice pups and , although he is no longer "standing" at stud, that doesn't mean he can no longer sire some more.
 
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