[Jonathan Maulden]

I was hoping someone here could help me out. I have run into a problem getting my dog registered. His Dam is akc but his Sire is CKC (continental). I have pedigree history for both. However both AKC and UKC have researched his pedigree for me and denied him a registration number. Both offered to give him a single use number I think it’s called an ILP for akc. My issue with this is they both require he be neutered. I am defiantly not ready to neuter him at this age and I’m not sure I want to do it at all.

So here is my question. Can anyone think of a loop hole to get around this?

Just as a side note the only reason I want a number is to retain the points he has earned and will earn in HRC hunt tests. I have no desire to breed him as he has no health clearances.

Thanks for all of the help.

Jonathan

 

[Dark Timber Kennels]

ok, just to be clear. He's not registered with CKC after all? But you bought him that and thought he was? I would think I would start with the sire and dam for him and see what their numbers were. If they had a litter, it should have a record somewhere and possibly go from there?

 

[Sharon Potter]

Unfortunately, it looks like you're stuck. The CKC (continental kennel club) is a puppy mill registry, and not a reliable source for purebred dogs. Without papers from a respected and recognized registry (which Continental is not) the best you can do is the single register/neuter route.

 

[Jonathan Maulden]

His litter was never registered. I have not contacted ckc to register him with them becuase I was told that wouldnt do any good because neither akc or ukc would recognize a ckc registration.

 

[Rainmaker]

The Continental Kennel Club is one of those ripoff "registrations" that popped up and requires nothing more than paying the fee, pretty much any dog can be "registered" with it. It plays off of using "CKC", which is Canadian Kennel Club and a legit registry. I doubt there are any loopholes for getting him the ILP without neutering, for AKC registration. I don't know enough about HRC to answer that part.

 

[FOM]

To the original OP - I'm sorry you were lied too and given false hope as it relates to the continental kennel club...I wouldn't bother talking to the ckc....you will be wasting your breath, they can not help you in this matter. They will gladly take your money, but it will not help you with registering with the UKC or AKC.

 

[Jonathan Maulden]

I do know that I have 60 days from the time of earning the points to get a registration number after that I have to pay a small fee to reinstate the numbers. And If he never gets a number I still enjoy running him in hunt tests and Wouldnt trade him for any AKC #. When I got him I was ignorant to the process and am still learning. So the next dog I get will have health clearances and a #.

 

[Sharon Potter]

Get him a UKC number, neuter him, and enjoy running hunt tests. Your dog doesn't care about his heritage...he cares about having fun and being with you, doing what he loves.

 

[Jonathan Maulden]

Get him a UKC number, neuter him, and enjoy running hunt tests. Your dog doesn't care about his heritage...he cares about having fun and being with you, doing what he loves.

That is what I am leaning toward I just haven't made up my mind. I want to wait another 6 months or so before I neuter him also I wory about knocking out his drive. Any thoughts on that?

 

[JustinS]

I have heard that neutering a dog will take away their drive but from my experience that is not the case at all, many times they are just as active as before, I really couldnt tell the difference with my old roomates lab and my current downstairs neighbor has his yellow neutered and he is just fine out in the field as well

 

[PhilBernardi]

How old is your dog?

Your dog can be (and only be) set up as Limited Privilege Registration with UKC (HRC) and you can accumulate HRC points and run the dog at all levels of HRC testing.

 

[Gordy Weigel]

Jonathan, if you have any worry about neutering affecting your boy, over the last 3 yrs. I have had over 10 neutered male labs in for training. I have seen little if any difference in level of drive, desire and trainability in these males compared to their non neutered counterparts.

 

[windycanyon]

If your dog's growth plates have closed, I'd neuter now. I have not seen a drop in drive in any of my pups in pet homes.

 

[Dustin D]

I wory about knocking out his drive. Any thoughts on that?

If you use the Advanced Search function and enter 'neutering' click on 'Topics Only' there is about 14 topics on this some asking the same exact questions. Good discussions in a couple of them.

 

[Hunt'EmUp]

You can still run HRC events w/o a UKC #, there's a $3 fee and You won't be able to register the points, but you can still run them. NAHRA as well if I remember correctly

 

[PhilBernardi]

You can still run HRC events w/o a UKC #, there's a $3 fee and You won't be able to register the points, but you can still run them. NAHRA as well if I remember correctly

He can register the points but only if he does a Limited Privilege Registration (LPR) with his dog, whether he does the LPR before or after his tests is up to him; and the assumption is that his dog is a purebreed retriever (which I believe the OP is suggesting - as best he knows) and that he is not going to breed the dog (which he indicated he was not going to).

http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/WebPages/RegistrationLimitePrivilege

 

[bobbyb]

Good Luck !!!after 9 months and $400 of phone calls i finally got reg papers for puppies i bought from a guy from P.E.I. ..turns out owner of the litter is suppose to reg. his litter..then gives you the papers... Never,ever again will i buy a puppy from Canada..

BobbyB
cajun

 

[Furball]

How old is your pup?
Trust me it is a blessing to be able to neuter the dog! Imagine a hunt test without the dog worrying about girls! Whew!

 

[The Snows]

Good Luck !!!after 9 months and $400 of phone calls i finally got reg papers for puppies i bought from a guy from P.E.I. ..turns out owner of the litter is suppose to reg. his litter..then gives you the papers... Never,ever again will i buy a puppy from Canada..

BobbyB
cajun

The CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) gives breeders six months to register the individual dogs from a litter. Some of the registration process can now be done electronically (not sure when this was started) IF the breeder has signed up for the service. Your breeder may have held off in doing the registration so that he could register all the pups at once if the litter had not initially been sold out. He may also have done this via "snail mail" if the electronic service was not yet available. I also heard of delays in the CKC processing paperwork last year as well.

I am sorry that you had to go through this in getting your dog's registration paperwork, but please don't paint all Canadian breeders with that brush.

 

[Kasomor]

I am sorry that you had to go through this in getting your dog's registration paperwork, but please don't paint all Canadian breeders with that brush.

As the saying goes...

X 2!!!!