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Just got done reading Spencer's "Retriever Training Drills for Marking" and he is a big proponent of having the dog shift his whole body to watch each mark of a multiple, unless your dog is a chronic breaker.
So just curious...
When your dogs watch a multiple fall, do you have them keep their rump on the ground and turn only their head, or do you pivot your body and expect them to pivot with you as the marks fall? Why do you use the method you use? Also, would you do it differently for HRC vs. AKC hunt tests vs. AKC field trials?
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The dog should move with you.
 

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I think most dogs are going to shuffle their back feet some, but I don't want the butt coming up and I want the front shoulder tight to my leg.

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My dog is required to sit, and only move his head. That being said, I primarily run HRC, and AKC hunt tests. He does great so far marking to 120 yds. However, I could see some benefit, particularly for field trialers getting those bigger marks. With up to 180 degrees in play, at 350 plus yds, the landscape could seriously change when facing square to the mark.... that could maybe help the dog.... anything to help the dog..... JMO
 

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I prefer butt to stay planted for AKC Hunt tests. I train quite a bit seated on a bucket with a swivel seat. The dog learns to swing and follow the gun without having to move. Field Trial training is a bit different in the fact that when you bring pup to line you take your time showing him all those white coats. The dog needs to follow your cues, (taps, snaps and movements) to get a good look at the gun stations. Not saying that there aren't times in a HT where you might need to take a step back so pup can see a wide mark, it's important that pup can follow your cues.
 

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I'm in the camp that the dog better sit and only move his head as I move. I've been taught for the majority of setups (there are always exceptions) to line the dog's body up for the go bird, then have him move his head based on my body language - if I step up he should look left, if I step back he should look right kind of thing....I use to be of the mind set that the dog moves with me, not anymore, I like the simplicity of them moving just their head.
 

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great replies, thanks!
 

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Tight head only. Wide open, body is OK.
 

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I'm in the camp that the dog better sit and only move his head as I move. I've been taught for the majority of setups (there are always exceptions) to line the dog's body up for the go bird, then have him move his head based on my body language - if I step up he should look left, if I step back he should look right kind of thing....I use to be of the mind set that the dog moves with me, not anymore, I like the simplicity of them moving just their head.
Ditto, what she said, YES MAAM!
 

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I want the dog to be looking with me at that long first bird thrown. I'm not worried about the LBD. The dog is trained to move with my body. For HT I don't see this happening with others but then the birds aren't that far away. Even at hunt tests I still move the same though of course not sitting.
 
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