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Has anyone had experience with a dog whining when sat on the whistle while handling to a blind retrieve?

My pup (2 year old lab) started doing this infrequently last summer, and it has now become a regular occurrence. Last spring he earned his AKC JH title, and I would like to run him in SR when he is ready. He had some noise issues at the line in JR, so we have spent the last year working on line manners and true steadiness (sit means sit, no-bird for any noise, leaning forward, or butt off the ground). This approach has significantly improved his noise issues at the line. Now I’m worried that he will get dropped due to the whining during handling.

Let me give an example… Yesterday at the end of our training session I set up an 80 yd cold blind. I brought him out of the truck and to the line at heel, and he was under excellent control. I lined him up, gave the “dead bird”, he was locked in the right direction and sitting tall, so I give a “back” and he takes off. I sit him on the whistle at 30 yds, he slams on the brakes, and as he is turning and sitting he starts whining. It seems to me that it’s an impatience thing, where he just wants to go hunt on his own for the bird and doesn’t want to take any instruction. He listens, but he lets me know he doesn’t like it… This is where I’m at a loss with what to do. I’ve tried cutting him off with a quick “No!” when he’s reasonable close, which makes him stop, but as soon as I cast him and sit him on the whistle it happens again. I’ve tried just waiting it out, dropping my hands until he stops whining or even turning around. This almost makes it worse. Sometimes he will just sit and whine for almost a minute. Finally, I’ve tried a continuous pulse with the e-collar from the whistle until his butt hits the floor (sort of a diversion attempt), and had some limited success.

So this leaves me with a couple questions. First, has anyone else had this happen and if so how did you approach fixing it? Lastly, is this as big an issue as I feel like it is? I.e., in an AKC SR hunt test if I sit my dog during the blinds and he turns and whines will I get dropped??

Any advice would be appreciated! Thank you!
 

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Does your pup know the "quiet"! Command? You mentioned yelling "no".Does he know what that no means?
My pup used to whine a lot! A hand over the muzzle with the quiet command practiced every time the whine appears.Soon that quiet can be used anytime even on your blind retrieves.
 

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Does your pup know the "quiet"! Command? You mentioned yelling "no".Does he know what that no means?
My pup used to whine a lot! A hand over the muzzle with the quiet command practiced every time the whine appears.Soon that quiet can be used anytime even on your blind retrieves.
That's a good point. I had assumed that he understood the 'no' was referring to the whining, since it is all he is 'doing' and he stops after I say it, but it could also be that he stops simply because I'm interrupting him, and doesn't actually understand what I'm no-ing... We have used "quiet" with a muzzle cover since he was a young pup, and I'm confident he understands it. When he is calm, it works well. When he gets very excited, not so much. It's certainly worth a try, thank you.
 

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Has anyone had experience with a dog whining when sat on the whistle while handling to a blind retrieve?

My pup (2 year old lab) started doing this infrequently last summer, and it has now become a regular occurrence. Last spring he earned his AKC JH title, and I would like to run him in SR when he is ready. He had some noise issues at the line in JR, so we have spent the last year working on line manners and true steadiness (sit means sit, no-bird for any noise, leaning forward, or butt off the ground). This approach has significantly improved his noise issues at the line. Now I’m worried that he will get dropped due to the whining during handling.

Let me give an example… Yesterday at the end of our training session I set up an 80 yd cold blind. I brought him out of the truck and to the line at heel, and he was under excellent control. I lined him up, gave the “dead bird”, he was locked in the right direction and sitting tall, so I give a “back” and he takes off. I sit him on the whistle at 30 yds, he slams on the brakes, and as he is turning and sitting he starts whining. It seems to me that it’s an impatience thing, where he just wants to go hunt on his own for the bird and doesn’t want to take any instruction. He listens, but he lets me know he doesn’t like it… This is where I’m at a loss with what to do. I’ve tried cutting him off with a quick “No!” when he’s reasonable close, which makes him stop, but as soon as I cast him and sit him on the whistle it happens again. I’ve tried just waiting it out, dropping my hands until he stops whining or even turning around. This almost makes it worse. Sometimes he will just sit and whine for almost a minute. Finally, I’ve tried a continuous pulse with the e-collar from the whistle until his butt hits the floor (sort of a diversion attempt), and had some limited success.

So this leaves me with a couple questions. First, has anyone else had this happen and if so how did you approach fixing it? Lastly, is this as big an issue as I feel like it is? I.e., in an AKC SR hunt test if I sit my dog during the blinds and he turns and whines will I get dropped??

Any advice would be appreciated! Thank you!
You already created the habit for this dog by letting it go.
Do you know any experience dog folks in your area to help you undue this?
I believe that would be the best advice in your situation. :)
 

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Mine is a whiner, anytime he trains with other dogs or when he gets around other dogs he just can't control his noise I guess... I been working on the "quiet" when he whines (got good practice at the vet yesterday) and been snapping the collar and e collar nicks if he has it on. Not much luck so far, hasn't been enough chances to work on it consistently I suppose. Good luck to ya
 

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Whining is energy seeping out of the dog. You have to give them an outlet for it and or get their mind focused back on you. It happens for a bunch of reasons including being nagged. Give good solid reinforcement and see what that does. May fix it, may not but it's simple enough to try.
 

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I don't have advice except that there are a lot of threads about vocal dogs, and your problem of vocalization while running blinds. They are not hard to find. Here are a couple I found right off the bat:

http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...363-Dog-barks-on-blinds-and-after-taking-cast

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?15015-dog-vocal-when-casting-on-blinds

Add: If you look through the old threads, you ought to get some ideas about how to solve your problem, in addition to advice you might get here.
 

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Is he vocal for other things? Like dinner time, or getting ready to go to the truck to train, or getting out of his crate at training or hunting or anything else?

We have had that problem in spades. (Loud whining on line, breaking on blinds...believe it or not... loud "HARF!" when taking a handle.) But by being consistent about quiet (and all other basic Ob around the house, and in the training context), it has improved a great deal.

We are not there yet. But consistency is paying off.
 
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