[kevin]

I have a friend witha 5 yr old yellow female that is a great upland and water fowl hunter has 4 sr passes. He is thinking of breeding her and asked me about it.

THE PROBLEM is most of her litter mates have EIC or show signs. His dog has never shown a sign and is hunted alot every year since a pup. I was wanting others opinions on this to see what everyone believes I should tell him.


Thanks
Kevin

 

[Keith Stroyan]

No, but HELP

PLEASE try to get blood samples of this litter to Katie Minor at the U of MN.

See:

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=399920#399920

As for breeding. Good heavens, no. There are lots of great breedings without suspected EIC.

 

[Kris Hunt]

No, I would not breed. While the inheritance factors are unknown at this time, there is little doubt in my mind that it is indeed an inherited condition and until we get a better understanding and control on this awful condition, it is better not to chance passing on the genes.

I had a dog with the condition in the 1980's, we bred her not knowing any better, several of her pups had the same condition. At that time people referred to it as 'a heat problem' and little was done to stop its spread. Too bad we weren't more aware then, now EIC is everywhere.

Good Luck

Kris

 

[jeff t.]

No, I would not breed her.

 

[mjh345]

NO!!!

 

[Lpgar]

Wouldn't even consider breeding

Sorry...have to agree with the others...Would not Breed Her. Too Many really great Pups out there right now to risk the health of that Bitch for why? I am sure that He would be able to train a pup to have similar traits comparing with the Female you discribed bought from any number of Quality bitches being bread today. No sense in risking unhealthy Dogs or the life of His fine Hunting Companion on this one.

Gar

 

[lablover]

I would not breed her. For any reason.

 

[Pete Marcellus]

Kris Hunt wrote:

now EIC is everywhere

That's quite a bit of an overstatement. While EIC is a sad and terrible disorder, hype will ultimately do the cause no good.

Pete

 

[Terry Thomas]

Definitly not.

 

[Misty Marsh]

Sorry , I would'nt do it!

 

[goldeneye]

I would not breed her.

More importantly, you have a unique chance to help the breed. I echo what Kieth Stroyan said about getting the samples to Katie Minor. It is easy to do and this is exactly what they are looking for right now- families of dogs that have both affected and unaffected individuals.

I have sent samples in and it is very easy. See the thread that Kieth posted.

 

[MR HAYS]

Yeah, what they said.

Please test.

No on the breeding.

 

[MaLabhuntr]

What is EIC?

 

[Pete Marcellus]

What is EIC?

EIC stands for Exercise Induced Collapse. It is a disorder of unknown origin at this time, it's symptoms are generally described as a loss of coordination in the hind legs with light to heavy exercise, depending on the severity of the affiction. There are other disorders or deficiencies that have similar symptoms. When those are eliminated as causes, EIC is considered the culprit. The cause is not yet known, EIC appears to be genetic.

There is an ongoing study at I believe the University of Minnesota to find the cause of the disorder and it's sounds like they are getting close to the source of it.

Pete

 

[Dogguy]

MaLabhuntr if you want to see an EIC collapse just hit the link below, it is my girl Maggie about a year ago.

See EIC collapse here

 

[Pete Marcellus]

Dogguy, What is Maggie up to these days?


Pete

 

[lablover]

Dogguy,

I'm sorry to see Maggie like that.

 

[Dogguy]

Maggie is doing fine. I have trained her to about the level of a HR, which is the max for her physical ability. Never did a hunt test was worried the excitement would trigger a collapse. She loves to waterfowl hunt but is a handful to keep steady in the boat, guess it's just what the FT folks call a firebreather thing. She has not had any more collapse, because the triggering combination of stress and exercise is avoided.

Just remember if you have a sib or half sib (the researchers stated that would be great) they would love your dog’s blood sample, so please send it.

 

[MaLabhuntr]

MaLabhuntr if you want to see an EIC collapse just hit the link below, it is my girl Maggie about a year ago.

See EIC collapse here

Thanks for the explanation and link. That Lab in the video looks to be a very happy go lucky dog that is very unfortunate that she has to go through life that way

 

[Jay Dufour]

Kidd

Had a female off Kidd that did that....so did the breeder of the litter.Mine went to a pet/hunter owner,and is enjoying a happy life.He dosent demand a whole lot,so the stress level is low.She started with me on water force.