I have been using the Zinger Winger Retired Gunner for the past few weeks and I really like it. I have 2 so I can retire 2 birds when training. The Retired Gunners are $99.00 ea. through Winger Zinger but if purchased through Gun Dog Supply the price was $89.00. I also have 2 stands that hold the Retired Gunner. The stands can be placed about 5 feet away from the Winger Zingers so you can conceal the wingers behind cover so the dogs won't mark off of them. The stands are about $25.00 ea. but well worth the price and stand about 5 feet tall.