[Granddaddy]

Want to say 1st and foremost I am a big LM fan. Please don't use this thread to say or continue to say things negative about LM - it is not the intent of this thread.

What I want are your opinions of the top 5 FT dogs currently running (or for males still breeding) without LM in the pedigree. The top 5 (for my purposes) should be dogs of accomplishment in FTs. If you can, name a top 5 males and a top 5 females.

Your opinions, please...........

 

[BonMallari]

2008 NAFC FC Hawkeyes Coast Guard

FC AFC Creek Robber

 

[Granddaddy]

Both very nice dogs.

Is it because Lean Mac has been such a dominate sire that no one else has come up with a list? I here many say LM is not so dominate, just been bred a lot. If that is the case, then there should be a long list of top dogs without LM in the pedigree. I know of some but wanted to hear for you........

 

[born2retrieve]

NFC Deweys Drake Of Moon River
I'll second Creek Robber

 

[North Mountain]

Two stud dogs I have used recently.

AFC Super High Flyer

AFC Cosmic Blue Genes

Both dogs have been on the Purina High Point list and Levi was a Nat'l Am Finalist as were his sire & dam.

 

[Bob Agnor]

I believe Chad Baker's Cody is Lean Mac free. 25 AA pts in 2008

 

[North Mountain]

Cody is a Lean Mac Grandson. Cody's dam is by Lean Mac.

 

[Chris S.]

FC-AFC Esprit's Power Play (Blk-By)
He has lots of dogs on the derby list right now.

 

[Granddaddy]

About you guys in the NW, aren't there some nice Jazztime dogs around with no LM in the pedigree?

 

[JKL]

About you guys in the NW, aren't there some nice Jazztime dogs around with no LM in the pedigree?

most Jazztime dogs I know are crossed with lean mac, can't help it cause it is a really great cross

 

[check171]

NAFC FC Carbon Copy Of Horn Creek

 

[Granddaddy]

I think Bechtel's dog, Jazztime Hanging Chad is non-LM.

Esprit's Power Play is a nice one too...and his sire Esprit's Out of the Woods was too.

I judged Pow in an Am sometime back & he was impressive, also another non-LM dog in that same Am that won, Pinoak's Texas Rex.

 

[YardleyLabs]

FC AFC Joey's Zoom Zoom

FC AFC Croppers Hit and Run

 

[Sundown49 aka Otey B]

two of the older dogs that have impressed me are:
FC AFC Blackwater Rudy
FC AFC Hilltop's Hayseed
The reason I am impressed by these dogs as I have daughters by them that cross real with my LM grandson....

 

[GoodDog]

I believe Van Ames dog Copper is LM free. FC CAFC Money Talks II

 

[kiddcline]

I think Bechtel's dog, Jazztime Hanging Chad is non-LM.QUOTE]

I'll second that.

 

[Granddaddy]

With over 1200 views on this thread, there have been only 15 dogs noted as top non-LM dogs. Most, if not all, are males. Has LM really been this dominate as a sire? Surely there are some really nice FT-titled dogs & bitches out there that have not been mentioned.....anyone?

 

[Franco]

FC AFC Marsh Prairie Quick Pick. Quick is a National finalist and approaching 100 All Age points.

 

[Granddaddy]

FC AFC Marsh Prairie Quick Pick. Quick is a National finalist and approaching 100 All Age points.

Nice dog but has LM as grandsire on the dam side........

 

[Chris S.]

OK I did have a look see at Gooddoginfo

For females what about Maple Creeks Sunny Delight- 3 titled offspring?

GD/DD I don't know what this RTF readership looks at to judge good FT dogs, but I think titled offspring is the best test.