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I recently posted an intro to my new pup and mentioned that I intend to run her in hunt tests down the line. Then MooseGooser chimed in and asked if I was planning on HRC or AKC. Great question.

The trainer I plan to use seems to have a track record of HRC titles but I honestly don't know which direction I should go, HRC or AKC, or why.

All opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Dan
 
IMHO, HRC is much more fun. For both you and your dog, nothing beats firing a live gun from the line for excitement.

But since AKC historically is the registry of record for the retriever breeds, if you are serious about getting titles and breeding, you need to run AKC.

Hopefully you can run both.
 
Check out both and decide for yourself. There are pros and cons to both. Some folks limit themselves (or are limited to) one venue and some of us run any venue involving retrievers. Try it all on and do what works for you.
 
I cant remember if Ya said this was your first dog!

I TRY and run both!

I started with AKC Junior,, then went to HRC and accomplished a HRCH FINISHED title. I have now returned to AKC with that dog , and am trying to get a SENIOR title.

If I were to do that again,, and run both venues,, I would concentrate on AKC first,, then move on to HRC, especially if this is your first dog, and you just want to play the Games/test deal. AKC hunt tests IMHO, require a bit different mindset than HRC tests do. Their tests tend to be a bit more technical, blinds will be longer, and require much tighter control.

Also, even though its OK to Handle on marks within both venues rules,, AS A RULE OF THUMB, your only gonna get 1 handle in the Marking part of the AKC tests.
You will also need a very "steady" dog. You can run them without one,, but it makes a mess a yer shorts!;)!~~~~ I KNOW!!!!!

Now to HRC~~~~~

Ya want a HUNTING DOG!!!? YA Want test set ups that MIMIC Hunting as much as possible?, Ya wanna incorperate a real gun being shot next to the dog, and the dog learning to mark off the end of the gun barrel?. Ya wanna be able to talk to the dog all the time this is goin on,, just like Ya do when hunting,, and most important,, Ya wanna have a GREAT time doin it????,, then run HRC!!!

The tests are FUN!!! FUN !!! FUN!!! The people are great, the food is fantastic!
You can run Back to Back tests every weekend. (run a test Sturday, then enter a seperate test, same club, on Sunday!)
There are no call backs between series. If ya bomb in the morning Land series,, your welcome to come back in the afternoon and run the water test!!

My OPINION?????!!!

If its your first dog,, I would pick the venue. that Makes Most sense to you,, and run ONLY that one venue and shoot for the moon!! Sometimes a Jack of all trades will be kinda good at a bunch a different things,, but never really masters one.:cool:

Prolly what it will all boil down to,, is that PRO guy yer gonna use, is gonna tell Ya what the capablities is of that dog ,, but most importantly,, what the HANDLERS capablities are,, and how much work HE OR SHE is willing to put into the deal,, that is going to be the deciding fator!!

Listen to what that Mr Jobman guy has to say very carefully,, and become a student of that game,, and learn it well!! ~~~~ Just DONT TELL HIM YA KNOW GOOSER!!!!

Gee!!! I wished I practiced what I preach!!!:confused:

Gooser
 
I cant remember if Ya said this was your first dog!

I TRY and run both!

I started with AKC Junior,, then went to HRC and accomplished a HRCH FINISHED title. I have now returned to AKC with that dog , and am trying to get a SENIOR title.

If I were to do that again,, and run both venues,, I would concentrate on AKC first,, then move on to HRC, especially if this is your first dog, and you just want to play the Games/test deal. AKC hunt tests IMHO, require a bit different mindset than HRC tests do. Their tests tend to be a bit more technical, blinds will be longer, and require much tighter control.

Also, even though its OK to Handle on marks within both venues rules,, AS A RULE OF THUMB, your only gonna get 1 handle in the Marking part of the AKC tests.
You will also need a very "steady" dog. You can run them without one,, but it makes a mess a yer shorts!;)!~~~~ I KNOW!!!!!

Now to HRC~~~~~

Ya want a HUNTING DOG!!!? YA Want test set ups that MIMIC Hunting as much as possible?, Ya wanna incorperate a real gun being shot next to the dog, and the dog learning to mark off the end of the gun barrel?. Ya wanna be able to talk to the dog all the time this is goin on,, just like Ya do when hunting,, and most important,, Ya wanna have a GREAT time doin it????,, then run HRC!!!

The tests are FUN!!! FUN !!! FUN!!! The people are great, the food is fantastic!
You can run Back to Back tests every weekend. (run a test Sturday, then enter a seperate test, same club, on Sunday!)
There are no call backs between series. If ya bomb in the morning Land series,, your welcome to come back in the afternoon and run the water test!!

My OPINION?????!!!

If its your first dog,, I would pick the venue. that Makes Most sense to you,, and run ONLY that one venue and shoot for the moon!! Sometimes a Jack of all trades will be kinda good at a bunch a different things,, but never really masters one.:cool:

Prolly what it will all boil down to,, is that PRO guy yer gonna use, is gonna tell Ya what the capablities is of that dog ,, but most importantly,, what the HANDLERS capablities are,, and how much work HE OR SHE is willing to put into the deal,, that is going to be the deciding fator!!

Listen to what that Mr Jobman guy has to say very carefully,, and become a student of that game,, and learn it well!! ~~~~ Just DONT TELL HIM YA KNOW GOOSER!!!!

Gee!!! I wished I practiced what I preach!!!:confused:

Gooser
I think Gooser nailed this one.

I ran HRC first then started running AKC this year. There was no reason that I ran HRC first other than my trainer used to run NAHRA and now runs HRC only. I now run both and if there is an AKC test and HRC test on the same weekend then I run the one that's closer. Anything that involves the dogs are fun to me.
 
IMHO, HRC is much more fun. For both you and your dog, nothing beats firing a live gun from the line for excitement.

But since AKC historically is the registry of record for the retriever breeds, if you are serious about getting titles and breeding, you need to run AKC.

Hopefully you can run both.
Kevin,

Maybe I read this wrong and I apologize if I did but it appears to me that you are saying a comprable HRC title is less desirable than an AKC title. Just curious. Thanks.

Chance
 
Kevin,

Maybe I read this wrong and I apologize if I did but it appears to me that you are saying a comprable HRC title is less desirable than an AKC title. Just curious. Thanks.

Chance
The only titles that show up on the AKC pedigree is AKC titles. AKC is the main registry so it does seem that AKC titles carry more weight with breeders. I also don't think that anyone who has ran both venues would argue that the Master title is tougher to come by than the Finished title and IMO the senior is much tougher than the seasoned. Both are great venues and again I would encourage anyone who loves the HT game to run both.
 
I run AKC only for the reason that HRC ht's in the area are scarce. There is one each year about 3 hrs south of me but to go to others I would have to travel 2 days. It's hard enough to get to the AKCs.

I'd love to run HRC but it's way too inconvenient.

Saving my bucks,

BHB
 
I run HRC because I am a duck hunter that loves "hunting" with my dog in the off season.

AKC is a good deal but just not what I was looking for personally. I have no desire to breed dogs (my female is spay) so I leave that to the so-called experts. I figure there are plenty of dogs being bred so mine not being there won't hurt anything.

SOOOOOOO there it is I don't care how the elitist chain works I do what I do because I like it and have fun doing it.
 
Maybe I read this wrong and I apologize if I did but it appears to me that you are saying a comprable HRC title is less desirable than an AKC title. Just curious. Thanks.
Chance, all titles are accomplishments worthy of accolades! I love me some HRCH!

However, just as the UKC is the principal registry of working coonhounds, and the FDSB is the main registry for working pointers, the AKC is the chief registry for retrievers and always has been.

So if you are going to be serious about breeding you have to play in AKC's ballpark to maximize your success. More females will be interested in your stud; More top studs will be accepting of your girl, more accomplished buyers will be interested in puppies.

I didn't make it that way. It is just I have been in the game long enough to know it is. :?
 
I'd go with Nahra personally, but all of them are good for the dogs.
Ditto for NAHRA !

.... but I would choose whatever one is convenient for you and you feel comfortable with - that way you have a better inclination to stick with it. In my opinion the people that you associate with and help you in your club make much more of a difference than whichever venue you chose to run. The dogs don't care which venue they run - they are just happy (and lucky) that you are spending time with them. Good luck to you both.
 
I just started running Hunt Tests this year. And I have had the chance to run both hrc and akc. To be honest, I prefered the environment of the HRC hunt test. My experience with the AKC Hunt tests was kind of ackward, and it seemed there was a lot of nose in the air types there. I am going to stick with HRC. Just my opinion.

Josh
 
Run both of them. Get the Started Title in HRC first, then the JH in AKC, then Seasoned in HRC, then Senior in AKC, the HRCH in HRC, then MH in AKC. Then go run the Grand or the MN.
 
Run both of them. Get the Started Title in HRC first, then the JH in AKC, then Seasoned in HRC, then Senior in AKC, the HRCH in HRC, then MH in AKC. Then go run the Grand or the MN.
Good advice ! Fun for your dog in all of them.:)
 
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