[huntingfool]

No I usually train at Bass Pro shop in Pearland and down at Jack Brooks park in Santa Fe. I am not sure what park you are talking about.

 

[BonMallari]

well, i dont climb fences - for the most part. if a field has no fence then its easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission.

people just seem to not mind whan all you are doing is training a dog. no hostilities yet!

look out for a sign like this

 

[david gibson]

look out for a sign like this

you weren't listening to me Bon - i dont trespass on "peoples" property. only on land owned by some conglomerate with headquarters in NY, NY. i would never ever violate a private citizen's property rights. never ever ever. never have, never will. i have never crossed a fence to train.

 

[Buzz]

you weren't listening to me Bon - i dont trespass on "peoples" property. only on land owned by some conglomerate with headquarters in NY, NY.

But recently, the Supreme Court ruled that corporations are people too.

Trying to help in the worst way regards... ;-)

 

[BonMallari]

you weren't listening to me Bon - i dont trespass on "peoples" property. only on land owned by some conglomerate with headquarters in NY, NY. i would never ever violate a private citizen's property rights. never ever ever. never have, never will. i have never crossed a fence to train.

Oh I was listening David, but whether that corporation is in NY, Houston or Boise ID, it doesnt make it right....rationalize it however you want...my lease owner is a corporation too , a family LLC.....

the places I train in Idaho are owned by family corporations, just because someone doesnt live on them doesnt mean just anyone is welcome to step on the property ;-)

 

[david gibson]

Oh I was listening David, but whether that corporation is in NY, Houston or Boise ID, it doesnt make it right....rationalize it however you want...my lease owner is a corporation too , a family LLC.....

the places I train in Idaho are owned by family corporations, just because someone doesnt live on them doesnt mean just anyone is welcome to step on the property ;-)

so, i pull up to a Home Depot with 50 acres next to it that has been untouched for 200+ years i am a criminal for running a couple of blinds across it? no fence, no sign? ok

and a county-owned (my taxes) flood detention pond over 100 acres with people jogging around it and riding 4-wheelers and i am the criminal for setting up a couple of marks and blinds? ok.

there are thousands and thousands of acres of unfenced land around here. i guess goody-two-shoes types would be stuck with no where to train. as for me - FBI, County Constables, Sheriffs,Houston PD, and Flood control folks all say "go ahead, who cares?", oh, i forgot the Aldine ISD cops as well. the
Sarge begged me to train his Rotts for OB. 3 HRCH's and now this dog and i have never ever come close to having a problem, all training on the same types of grounds, some the exact tracts 15 yrs later even.

in fact, just last month i found a really small abandoned golf course, way overgrown and hidden for over 12 years smack dab in the middle of gang-infested SW Houston - turf of the infamous "Southwest Cholos" gang. i set up a double and 6 blinds and half-way through the owner walked up and gave me a beer.

i am such a horrible person...yawn

peace out.

 

[22899]

Mr Gibson!
If you can,, get the current copy of the HRC club magazine HUNTING RETRIEVER.

In it you will find an excellent article all about marking written by None other than Miss Vickie Lamb!

it perty much discusses what you is a askin!!
She talks about Quotes from Mr Rex Carr.

Here is one She used in her article:


"When marking with your dog, strive for success.Giving him marks he can be successful on. After three or Four successes, you can afford to reach out and do somethingmore difficult.And, if he does resonably well on that you can reach out some more.IF HE BLOWS THIS,,go back to something successful,and come back again on another day and try it again! Keep reaching out for those Nitty gritty tests. Let this be your goal, Not your fear. But keep things successful as you reach out."

I think the wholw article has a buncha great advice and information in it. !!
Gooser kinda gots a secret crush on that Miss Lamb!!


Gooser

 

[Brad Overstreet]

Will regret sticking my nose into the trespassing issue I am sure. I train on property sometimes without permission. Great places nobody ever even uses. I justify it by picking up trash. At least I am helping planet earth. I have several great places that are " private". I follow the no fence, no sign, no markings rule. If it has none of the above I train on it. If I see trash I pick it up. Have met several great people this way and they respect the fact I pickup litter etc...This always gets me invited back if a landowner should show up. As for the Police and such they love to watch good dog work!!!! Even have access to a few lighted football fields if need be thanks to a campus police officer. One side story though.

Went to train on a 60 acre field between 2 commercial areas. Got stuck. Called my buddy and he got stuck...who then called his buddy and got stuck. Who you guessed it called his buddy who got stuck. You would know the owner IS a local and comes out to see why his property looks like a used car lot. I explain what I was doing. He asked if I had permission. The answer was no. He explained he was the property owner and could we please figure out a way to get off his property. On the way out he gets stuck. Here comes my friend with a tractor. We not only get everyone out ,but also hang around and fix all damage and the road. Next day I go visit him at his shop. He gives me permission to train on the property as long as I do not get off the road I just fixed.

 

[Dave Burton]

maybe in his minf he hit water again, and there's land, so it must be there, then once up there he realized he made a mistake...who knows.
QUOTE]

Ummmm, do you think he was 'cheating' that second piece of water? It appears to me that the line to the mark is square across the strip of land and directly into the water. I would have handled the minute the dog tried to miss that second piece of water by taking that 'right'. Looks like a cheat to me. But without knowing anything at all about the dog, could be just about anything. Something to think about though.

Kris

I agree with Kris. It looks like the dog was wanting land/running water instead of water and then when he ran out of land/running water he makes the right move to the bird. I'm pretty sure I would have stopped him and called him back to the entry to 2nd water and cast to show him the right way to go. Not real sure I agree with letting the dog do it wrong so you can know what to do next time. You have to read the dog and make adjustments on the fly. There are several things I try not to ever let them do and cheat is one of them. Let them do it just once and they will try it again! Probably at a test or trial.

 

[ErinsEdge]

There are several things I try not to ever let them do and cheat is one of them. Let them do it just once and they will try it again! Probably at a test or trial.

You bet he was trying to cheat. Dogs are honest until they aren't. By seeing what he was going to do you gave him permission. Next time it will be a bigger cheat when you can't correct him, at a test.

 

[Rufus C.]

An experienced trainer DOES know "how to". Based on all the set ups you post for the RTFers to comment on some day, with all this experience you are gaining, you too will have the "how to" knowledge to correct properly.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither was the knowledge all the great trainers have. It takes time AND patience.

You'll get there some day, that is if you aren't in jail for trespassing before hand. Sorry, but I had to say it.

again greg - thanks, thats great input.

but please tell me how i can be ready to adjust if i dont know what to expect beforehand? you lay out a perfect scenario there - but guess what - reality is different.

"But the approach should always be I'm ready to adjust if he caves to a factor."

nice advice, but if i am a rank rookie i dont have that stash-hole of cures for each issue. there could be a dozen factors, are you always ready for them all? an experienced trainer can do that. not an average joe like me.

 

[mjh345]

you weren't listening to me Bon - i dont trespass on "peoples" property. only on land owned by some conglomerate with headquarters in NY, NY. i would never ever violate a private citizen's property rights. never ever ever. never have, never will. i have never crossed a fence to train.

I am personally in awe of your extremely high moral and ethical stance on the issue of property rights.
In light of my admiration for your moral compass let me pose to you this question. If one of my training partners has something like an ecollar that I would like to have would it be morally wrong for me to take it from him; but morally justifiable to take it from Cabellas or some other faceless corporation. I hope so because that would really help me control my training costs

Actually In a nutshell it appears to be that your standard on trespassing is.... "If David can justify it then it is O.K." A reading of your "Shame on the Parents" thread on the POTUS forum it appears that you don't believe any "inconvenient" laws should apply to David.

Call your doctor David it appears your meds need to be adjusted!!

It appears from your post that you do due diligence and check out exactly who owns whatever property you decide to trespass upon. Let me ask you, once you find out who owns it why wouldn't you the call or visit their corporate office and ask for permission? By the way David, what did the corporation look like that bought you a beer on the golf course that you referred to in post 66? What kind of clothes do corporations, wear and lastly what kind of beer do they drink?

When you first came on this forum last fall I had empathy with your struggles and invited you up to train with me on my winter training grounds in Texas.

Let me be clear here I hereby revoke that invitation and any license you feel may have been granted to you. Some of these training grounds are personally owned and some are corporately owned. Some grounds are fenced and some are unfenced. This revocation apply's equally to all properties. Please keep yourself and Brady "The greatest and best looking dog in the history of the world" off of all training grounds. I don't want you ever trepassing. Never ever ever ever!! Are we clear on that?

I revoke this license with full knowledge that while trespassing on property you frequently cast caution to the wind and manage to save lives, pull people from wrecked cars, comfort homeless black war veterans etc. etc. etc.

Look up in the sky, "it's a bird, no it's a plane, no it's SUPER DAVE

Stalker man crush regards

 

[david gibson]

I am personally in awe of your extremely high moral and ethical stance on the issue of property rights.
In light of my admiration for your moral compass let me pose to you this question. If one of my training partners has something like an ecollar that I would like to have would it be morally wrong for me to take it from him; but morally justifiable to take it from Cabellas or some other faceless corporation. I hope so because that would really help me control my training costs

Actually In a nutshell it appears to be that your standard on trespassing is.... "If David can justify it then it is O.K." A reading of your "Shame on the Parents" thread on the POTUS forum it appears that you don't believe any "inconvenient" laws should apply to David.

Call your doctor David it appears your meds need to be adjusted!!

It appears from your post that you do due diligence and check out exactly who owns whatever property you decide to trespass upon. Let me ask you, once you find out who owns it why wouldn't you the call or visit their corporate office and ask for permission? By the way David, what did the corporation look like that bought you a beer on the golf course that you referred to in post 66? What kind of clothes do corporations, wear and lastly what kind of beer do they drink?

When you first came on this forum last fall I had empathy with your struggles and invited you up to train with me on my winter training grounds in Texas.

Let me be clear here I hereby revoke that invitation and any license you feel may have been granted to you. Some of these training grounds are personally owned and some are corporately owned. Some grounds are fenced and some are unfenced. This revocation apply's equally to all properties. Please keep yourself and Brady "The greatest and best looking dog in the history of the world" off of all training grounds. Are we clear on that?

I revoke this license with full knowledge that while trespassing on property you frequently cast caution to the wind and manage to save lives, pull people from wrecked cars, comfort homeless black war veterans etc. etc. etc.

Look up in the sky, "it's a bird, no it's a plane, no it's SUPER DAVE

Stalker man crush regards

dude, you need to calm your hatred, its not good for your health. although i am flattered that you follow my every thread and comment and thoughts, you must have one heck of a spreadsheet set up by now! i just cant figure out if its jealousy, envy, or you are just plain weird. i mean, you have all this hatred piled up yet yet you and i have pretty much zero interaction other than your stalking. never been an actual beef between us. i dont even know your name, you just use some letters that may or may not be your initials. i suppose you feel better attacking me without your real name known....

keep stalking bro, this is starting to get entertaining!

headed out to buy more kleenex to wipe up the tears of your revoked invitation.

oh, today i will be training in a retention pond for a new residential development. no permission. dont even know who owns it. but the neighbors sometimes enjoy a glass of wine watching me and one of the salespersons stops on occasion to watch as well. no cuffs yet!

 

[Vicky Trainor]

I am personally in awe of your extremely high moral and ethical stance on the issue of property rights.
In light of my admiration for your moral compass let me pose to you this question. If one of my training partners has something like an ecollar that I would like to have would it be morally wrong for me to take it from him; but morally justifiable to take it from Cabellas or some other faceless corporation. I hope so because that would really help me control my training costs

Actually In a nutshell it appears to be that your standard on trespassing is.... "If David can justify it then it is O.K." A reading of your "Shame on the Parents" thread on the POTUS forum it appears that you don't believe any "inconvenient" laws should apply to David.

Call your doctor David it appears your meds need to be adjusted!!

It appears from your post that you do due diligence and check out exactly who owns whatever property you decide to trespass upon. Let me ask you, once you find out who owns it why wouldn't you the call or visit their corporate office and ask for permission? By the way David, what did the corporation look like that bought you a beer on the golf course that you referred to in post 66? What kind of clothes do corporations, wear and lastly what kind of beer do they drink?

When you first came on this forum last fall I had empathy with your struggles and invited you up to train with me on my winter training grounds in Texas.

Let me be clear here I hereby revoke that invitation and any license you feel may have been granted to you. Some of these training grounds are personally owned and some are corporately owned. Some grounds are fenced and some are unfenced. This revocation apply's equally to all properties. Please keep yourself and Brady "The greatest and best looking dog in the history of the world" off of all training grounds. I don't want you ever trepassing. Never ever ever ever!! Are we clear on that?

I revoke this license with full knowledge that while trespassing on property you frequently cast caution to the wind and manage to save lives, pull people from wrecked cars, comfort homeless black war veterans etc. etc. etc.

Look up in the sky, "it's a bird, no it's a plane, no it's SUPER DAVE

Stalker man crush regards

dude, you need to calm your hatred, its not good for your health. although i am flattered that you follow my every thread and comment and thoughts, you must have one heck of a spreadsheet set up by now! i just cant figure out if its jealousy, envy, or you are just plain weird. i mean, you have all this hatred piled up yet yet you and i have pretty much zero interaction other than your stalking. never been an actual beef between us. i dont even know your name, you just use some letters that may or may not be your initials. i suppose you feel better attacking me without your real name known....

keep stalking bro, this is starting to get entertaining!

headed out to buy more kleenex to wipe up the tears of your revoked invitation.

oh, today i will be training in a retention pond for a new residential development. no permission. dont even know who owns it. but the neighbors sometimes enjoy a glass of wine watching me and one of the salespersons stops on occasion to watch as well. no cuffs yet!

Alright, time to cool it, guys. Personal attacks are not to be tolerated. If you want to throw barbs back and forth at each other, do so via PMs. The rest of the RTF community don't need to have their time wasted by the drivel.

 

[Sean H]

Alright, time to cool it, guys. Personal attacks are not to be tolerated. If you want to throw barbs back and forth at each other, do so via PMs. The rest of the RTF community don't need to have their time wasted by the drivel.

I found it quite entertaining Vicky.

 

[Vicky Trainor]

I found it quite entertaining Vicky.

Some find it entertaining, but the personal attacks are inappropriate for RTF. I try not to get involved unless I get a couple of complaints.

 

[duk4me]

Alright, time to cool it, guys. Personal attacks are not to be tolerated. If you want to throw barbs back and forth at each other, do so via PMs. The rest of the RTF community don't need to have their time wasted by the drivel.

spoilsport

 

[david gibson]

i do not want pms from this guy, he is giving me the creeps. he has sought out and targeted me, not the opposite, on several occasions. anything he says needs to be brave enough to say for all to see.

 

[Vicky Trainor]

i do not want pms from this guy, he is giving me the creeps. he has sought out and targeted me, not the opposite, on several occasions. anything he says needs to be brave enough to say for all to see.

Sounds like a good time to use the IGNORE button.

 

[duk4me]

i do not want pms from this guy, he is giving me the creeps. he has sought out and targeted me, not the opposite, on several occasions. anything he says needs to be brave enough to say for all to see.

Me neither, I don't want PMS from noone. I've scene the result of PMS and it aint purty.

Black eye regards,