I was just wondering if anyone is familar with this program, and if you are what are your opion's on it. I've recently watched his dvd, and its doesn't go into the detail that I guess Smartwork or Total retriever would, but personally I think its a good hunting dog program to follow.
Mike Stewart and the Wildrose way
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I was just wondering if anyone is familar with this program, and if you are what are your opion's on it. I've recently watched his dvd, and its doesn't go into the detail that I guess Smartwork or Total retriever would, but personally I think its a good hunting dog program to follow.
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It's not gonna take a dog to a field trial champion but I like the program. I have followed it with satisfactory results. I personally like the attention to the 3D's Deny Delay and Diversion. It has a lot of good common sense information. Now if you want a dog to take angle backs, not cheat the bank advanced handling, etc etc pick another program. For the average guy that wants an steady gun dog it's a good start, however it is not with out holes and you will need to get help on a few things as you progress through the training but there are lots of folks willing to help. Good Luck.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgDayEttoLg
The above link might be usefull in answering your question.
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The above link might be usefull in answering your question.
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In your opionon what is a good dvd program to start with, the reason I ask is I'm getting a new puppy at the end of the year and I would like to atart things off on a good note.
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Any chance you could summarize the three Ds for us? I'm wondering if Deny and Delay are a couple of techniques that I use to good effect--setting things up so that the dog must control himself in order to make things move forward. If so (or if not), what's Diversion (a word that already has varied meanings in the retriever world)?
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The breed is going to be a lab puppy and the breeding I'm not sure yet.
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Really like the results so far of my "Hillman trained puppy" The dvd will go a long ways to having a very steady dog from the start.
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Yes Deny and Delay are used for good effect. Deny is used to teach the dog that not every thing that hits the ground, is thrown or shot out of the air is for him to retrieve. (steadiness) Delay is used to teach the dog that even though it hits the ground, is thrown or shot out of the air is he NOT to immediately go get it rather only when commanded (steadiness) Diversion, things hitting the ground, being thrown or being shot out of the air while either going out or returning from a retrieve. Also includes live birds flopping around on the ground, other dogs going out or returning from retrieves etc etc.
That's my novice definition. The first dog I trained almost 11 years ago was and still is a hell of a huntin' dog but not very steady. I really focused on that with my current dog and I found Stewart's methods very effective.
The way I understood it in his vid, I've watched it 3 times, in the last week still don't totally get it. And to me deny is denying the dog the retrieve to make the dog understand steadiness, and that not every bird is his, and he's also big on making dogs earn there retrieves through being steady and quit, basically having good line manners.
I think it starts with a good puppy program with the "early ons" that he wants the dog to have. I also like that he starts memories and casting early on in training. I also like the 3 D's to make the dog understand steadiness, and I like how he use the whistle early on also. I believe that if you are looking to build a good solid hunting dog (which is my goal) its a good program.
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I have the Wildrose DVD.
There is a lot of good stuff in it, particularly the basic steadiness philosophy and handling routines. It's very sketchy on puppy work, socialisation and basic OB tasks, you really need to have that stuff in place before following the program. If you did and then worked the dog according to the demonstrated drills, I think you'd have a pretty nice gun dog.
In addition to what is shown I'd need to add better lining on multiple blinds / marks, and advanced casting particularly at distance. At $30 ish it's a good buy, well worth the money.
I also have the Strawski material. 'Nuff said.
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There is a lot of good stuff in it, particularly the basic steadiness philosophy and handling routines. It's very sketchy on puppy work, socialisation and basic OB tasks, you really need to have that stuff in place before following the program. If you did and then worked the dog according to the demonstrated drills, I think you'd have a pretty nice gun dog.
In addition to what is shown I'd need to add better lining on multiple blinds / marks, and advanced casting particularly at distance. At $30 ish it's a good buy, well worth the money.
I also have the Strawski material. 'Nuff said.
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I have the dvd. There is not enough information in the dvd to take a retriever from puppyhood to a finished dog. I think the dvd is around 45 minutes to an hour (its been several years since I viewed it).
And the "early ons" get on my nerves. "Early on, I want a retriever to do whatever", etc...
Well we all do, so put out a complete program that goes step by step.
Also, I can't say there has never been a dog trained by these methods that didn't turn out as a great dog, either gun dog or competitor. What I can say is that I have seen several that were not so great.
And the "early ons" get on my nerves. "Early on, I want a retriever to do whatever", etc...
Well we all do, so put out a complete program that goes step by step.
Also, I can't say there has never been a dog trained by these methods that didn't turn out as a great dog, either gun dog or competitor. What I can say is that I have seen several that were not so great.
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Its actually close to 3hrs. I agree that a first time trainer might have some problems figuring out the sequence of things.
I like the use of memories from early on, I like marking off of the gun, the steadiness drills, and I think his"hold" program is as thorough as any Ive seen outside of a FF program.
Overall, a really good buy and program for a top notch hunting dog.
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All RTF would be is a search function if we followed that logic. Its all been discussed. Its a valid question from someone interested in learning and so far ths responses have been helpful.
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However, he is a new poster and not one of the responses directed him to the search function where he could read and read and read until he finds his answer. True the responses have been cordial, however when this reaches 8 pages of the same american vice british vice FF vice CC then you too might grow tired.
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Maybe it won't. Maybe the question is a bit different than some of the other threads, asking about particular content of the dvd and its applicability rather than personality, "better than," etc., etc.
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