[SSCarnage]

I understand that the focus seems to be solely based on field trial competitors and their offspring... Any thought given to the offspring of these dogs in the other games like the AKC hunt tests and HRC hunt tests and how they have made out over the years? I know of a few grand hunt retriever champions and national master hunters that are getting no recognition...

 

[laker]

I understand that the focus seems to be solely based on field trial competitors and their offspring... Any thought given to the offspring of these dogs in the other games like the AKC hunt tests and HRC hunt tests and how they have made out over the years? I know of a few grand hunt retriever champions and national master hunters that are getting no recognition...

I've wondered the same thing...

 

[BonMallari]

I understand that the focus seems to be solely based on field trial competitors and their offspring... Any thought given to the offspring of these dogs in the other games like the AKC hunt tests and HRC hunt tests and how they have made out over the years? I know of a few grand hunt retriever champions and national master hunters that are getting no recognition...

one of the reasons they get no recognition is the same reason the sports world knows of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers but very few people outside of of those that watch know who won the Grey Cup or who Damon Allen,Anthony Calvillo,or Travis Lulay are....

 

[savage25xtreme]

I understand that the focus seems to be solely based on field trial competitors and their offspring... Any thought given to the offspring of these dogs in the other games like the AKC hunt tests and HRC hunt tests and how they have made out over the years? I know of a few grand hunt retriever champions and national master hunters that are getting no recognition...

No offense, but with the right trainer an average back yard bred dog can get the HT titles. It takes something truly special to become FC/AFC.

 

[SSCarnage]

Oh I understand we are comparing 1st, 2nd, 3rd vs pass or fail standards... But at the same time what about those dogs who have had multiple grand passes like Big Black Dude II, won 5 straight! Or other multiple mnh passes. I wouldn't see those being easy accomplishments for weekend warriors....

 

[tshuntin]

Oh I understand we are comparing 1st, 2nd, 3rd vs pass or fail standards... But at the same time what about those dogs who have had multiple grand passes like Big Black Dude II, won 5 straight! Or other multiple mnh passes. I wouldn't see those being easy accomplishments for weekend warriors....

Doesn't compare.

 

[Hunt'EmUp]

The HRC and AKC publish stats for their top Sires and Dams in the HT world, their are a lot of the same names on those list. I know FC Viking was really high up there last year.

 

[Brandon Bromley]

Hi all, it's late, so here are the top five sires and dams. Please note: data is from 2005 - Present, thus derby pts for older dogs are probably understated. Find out more about sires, dams and litters by visiting RetrieverResults.

Top Sires and Dams: 2005 - Present

Top 5 Sires
Lean Mac: 203 total progeny; 138 earning 5964.5 AA pts (avg 40.3), 18 earning 149 Derby pts (avg 8.3)
Cosmo: 124 total progeny; 68 earning 1509 pts (avg 22.2), 48 earning 397 derby pts (avg 8.3)
Fargo II: 112 progeny; 58 earning 1441 AA pts (avg 24.8), 62 earning 742 derby pts (avg 12)
Chavez: 84 progeny: 55 earning 1239.5 AA pts (avg 22.5), 25 earning 245 derby pts (avg 9.8)
Code BLue: 41 progeny: 32 earning 1205 AA pts (avg 37.7), 10 earning 106 derby pts (avg 10.6)

Top Dams
Dest Devil's Desert Duk MH: 8 progeny; 8 earning 575 AA pts (avg 71.9), no derby pts
Scan's in the nick of Time: 13 progeny; 11 earning 538 AA pts (avg 48.9), no derby pts
Candlewoods Homely Hannah: 10 progeny; 10 earning 533 AA pts (avg 53.3), no derby pts
Tequilla Sunrise IX: 14 progeny: 10 with 531 AA pts (avg (53.1), 10 earning 194 derby pts (avg 19.4)
Candlewoo'ds Rita Reynolds: 30 progeny: 19 with 490.5 AA pts (avg 25.8), 16 earnings 160 dreby pts (avg 10)

Thanks for the info! I hope you're able to continue going further back in time. I'd LOVE to see numbers of these (and a few others) from ALL their offspring! Waiting to see the "whole Pie" over the "2005-present slice".

 

[roseberry]

Top Dams
Dest Devil's Desert Duk MH: 8 progeny; 8 earning 575 AA pts (avg 71.9), no derby pts


that is some real production right there!
q1. can we breed them 2 a third time?
q2. could i get on the list?
a1. no
a2. hell no

 

[FOM]

John,

I don't think your check book could survive the cost of a puppy "if" the breeding could take place....I know mine couldn't! Sorry we are low life wannabes when it comes to "high stake gambling" in the FT world!

 

[Breck]

For all of you HRC types did you know that Dust Devil's Desert Duk was an HRCH & a MH. She produced the famous Keila, Ford, NFC Patton et al litter. Keila produced some of the best dogs running today from 4 different sires including 4, maybe 5, who are running this years National Amateur. More than any other bitch has qualified.


God bless FC-AFC Tequilla Sunrise IX.

 

[leemac]

Ford was a FC AFC as a 2 year old!!!! Who really cares that he was on The Derby List? Rather pale in comparison.

If you think Patton & his siblings had no derby points, I feel sorry for you.

Seriously, I'm about ready to pull a Mike Gundy on getting your facts straight.

According to the chart listed above, Dust Devil's Desert Duk had eight progeny with zero derby points, hence the question. Knowing about the this litter, I was surprised to read that out of Ford, Patton, Izzy, and the other five titled dogs for that litter that (once again according to the above chart) not one of those dogs had a derby points.

 

[JKOttman]

Hi all, I suspect, but will look into it more closely tomorrow, that the issue is whether or not the dogs you referenced had pups that competed as Derby dogs in or since 2005. I suspect their careers were earlier and thus their results are not yet in the RR database. All that said, I will check tomorrow.

 

[roseberry]

For all of you HRC types did you know that Dust Devil's Desert Duk was an HRCH & a MH.
.

breck,
inspiration for everyone with a mh and/or hrch bitch to think she can produce a performance litter. we minor hunt testers don't need that kind of encouragement!

 

[kjrice]

According to the chart listed above, Dust Devil's Desert Duk had eight progeny with zero derby points, hence the question. Knowing about the this litter, I was surprised to read that out of Ford, Patton, Izzy, and the other five titled dogs for that litter that (once again according to the above chart) not one of those dogs had a derby points.

Not everyone cares about running a Derby.

 

[Jacob Hawkes]

Again, the derby points for the 2 breedings between those dogs are wrong.

 

[jeff evans]

Not everyone cares about running a Derby.

............X2

 

[jeff evans]

Surprised that I didn't see Hattie Mcbunn. She must have barely missed the list?

 

[ErinsEdge]

Surprised that I didn't see Hattie Mcbunn. She must have barely missed the list?

Maybe the timing was wrong. Hattie was born in 1990 and had her only litter in 1997 with LeanMac, and was the NAFC in 1998. That one litter produced 6FC, 2 QAA and 1 MH. The stats on her would be interesting.

 

[Justin Allen]

Don't let John fool ya, his check book is plenty deep. I just wish he would share with me.

John,

I don't think your check book could survive the cost of a puppy "if" the breeding could take place....I know mine couldn't! Sorry we are low life wannabes when it comes to "high stake gambling" in the FT world!