What do you consider as a pup having solid Obiedence? Such as you want to have a pup with solid obiedience before you move on to FF. What are the key factors that must be completed to be considered solid?
Solid Obiedience
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If you and a friend are dog training together and your pup will sit, stay sitting, fetch it up, and come. More better than your friends pup.
Then YOU have achieved solid obedience. If your friends pup does it better than you, then YOU have a “high drive” pup meant for much more advanced field work than your friends Slug of a lay-by-the-door!
Kidding I am! I have seen a gray muzzled 10 year old break on a hand tossed bumper.
The pup does not need to be perfect. The pup does need to know what the words you are using mean.
Expect the pup to sit when you say sit. But not for an hour. Come when you say come, but still be dragging a rope.
Remember to build your pup UP, not hammer it DOWN.
And have fun the both of you
Then YOU have achieved solid obedience. If your friends pup does it better than you, then YOU have a “high drive” pup meant for much more advanced field work than your friends Slug of a lay-by-the-door!
Kidding I am! I have seen a gray muzzled 10 year old break on a hand tossed bumper.
The pup does not need to be perfect. The pup does need to know what the words you are using mean.
Expect the pup to sit when you say sit. But not for an hour. Come when you say come, but still be dragging a rope.
Remember to build your pup UP, not hammer it DOWN.
And have fun the both of you
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Good post!
Competition type obedience is not necessary and may even be counterproductive in the field.
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I don't know if I should go against the fun fest, But If my pup dose not have a good foundation in OB before the table it can be a pain in the a*&. I want to say I do not start formal training until 6 months and the table until 9 to 10 months.
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Solid obedience before force fetch simply means that you don't want to be wrestling the pup while trying to teach FF.
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Very good response Ken. I thought you talking about my 10 yo gray bearded, Blackie. Doesn't know what "sit means sit" and other basic commands!!!! First HT retriever!!
These simple commands are very important to assist you in your field work and make your life a whole lot easier.Good luck to you!
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Table?
I used a table.
Used it for a while.
Problem with a table is, ya gotta move to the ground.
Got tired of re-teaching everything on the ground.
Start on the ground, teach once.
While I shoot a lot of ducks fit for the table.
Hardly ever do they land on one.
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Try doing five or six a day and see how your back feel like. I have no problem on their transfer to the ground. By the time I move them to the ground they know what I want. If not I do not move forward.
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Bull hockey!
Every dog has the
“OH, you want me to fetch down here as well?”
or the
“I only hold on the table”
or the
“I only pick up off the table, not in the dirt!”
or the
“You need to bring that closer, I cannot move my legs and fetch at the same time!”
Conversely, on the ground. All I do is move forward.
I am not putting you down TS, I used to be you. When I was taught the table was the only way.
Sit the dog on the table, chain it to a post above. Hang it up, pinch it hard, force it on or wash it out.
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I don't know why I have to get into it with the home's. Don't feel thertion I just have different why of training. I have 4 different programs for my dogs and one is the pu#%y program. for the ones that can't take the pressure.
Keith
I have trained.
from poodles to rot-ties , pitbuls, germanshepards, mixbreeds, pointers, Britte's, gremanshorthaires, wainwrights,Wirehair pointers and more. What have you trained?
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I had a dog with solid ob. Then he died of old age. Who wants a dog that wont break once in awhile
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Amazed you have force fetched all those breeds of dog, on a table.
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I don't care what kind of dog it is, you introduce another eliment and while they know the command, you still have to educate them to the new environment and reinforce the command.
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Actually, the fun fest should start at 7 or 8 weeks, with the puppy learning basic obedience in a fun-fest type no pressure environment. By 4 mos. that puppy thinks learning/lessons are fun and will walk on a loose lead in a semblance of heel, it will always come when called because its person knows (or should know) better than to give a command that can't be enforced; it will sit, go in its kennel on command and loves birds and retrieving even if its mechanics aren't perfect. By 5 or 6 mos. those things can be formalized according to one of the many programs out there but that should just be a matter of introducing consequences for disobedience to well taught commands.
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I dont quite agree with Kens first post of this thread but I certainly agree with his thoughts on the table and I have FF a good number of dogs
PS I have scoliousis in my back with a pinched nerve but I still wont use a table.
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Well said. I now have my pup who will be 11wks old on Tues walking right beside me (heel'ish) sitting perfectly and starting to sit until told to move. do a couple sit's/stays or walk then sit and throw a couple bumpers. 1 morning session 1 night session, he is a sponge right now but only because its fun to him and he likes belly rubs and praise..
I kinda disagree with many of those that have posted previously..
I now believe that basic obedience is something many folks dont take seriously enough. I think it should be very solid before you start FF and yardwork..
The reason I now believe this.
I think it important to have the dog focused and relaxed when you start FF.. You want to be able to have the dog focused on that 1 element of getting the bumper in its mouth, and working through the pressure of the pinch and at the same time staying relaxed, and under control...
You dont want to have to be adding the unnecessary distraction of keeping dog in sit position , or in other words working on 2 commands at a time. Ya just want to teach "fetch" and work at a happy, relaxed, ethusiastic response..
When you procede to walking fetch,, Ya want the same thing. A dog that sits,, walks confidently at heel,,not lunging forward, looking at distractions,ect, but rather being able to walk relaxed at heel, as you walk to the various bumpers you have placed randomly on the ground. Sometimes you will walk past bumpers without the "fetch" command, other times you will give the command. You want the dog nicely at heel, so you can determine if the dog is lunging for the bumper because of the "fetch" command, or lunging, just because it sees a bumper laying on the ground in front of him..
As you progress to pile work,, that sit, here, and heel becomes even more important, because you want the pile work to be "fun" for the dog. Again enthusiasum. not harping on the dog about heeling, not correcting for a bad front remote sit. Ya just want the dog focused on learning the new task of going to a pile. Then going to a pile and working through the force..
I am currently at this stage now with my pup. I am being given Very experienced help... i just yesterday was told to go back and work on Obedience with the collar,, My front finish sit has a problem, the dog doesnt really heel ethusiastically either. She needs more work on her BASIC OBEDIENCE, so my pile work will go smoothly..
I have learned a bunch this past year. I wonder how any of my previous dogs did any competent work at all. But what I am now seeing is why that Pro trained dog looks so different at the line than most of us mere mortals dogs do..
Just Goosers opinion..
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