I'm working my 20 month old lab doing transition and he simply is not getting the back angle cast during eight handed casting. He will get it right a few times and then blows it and goes for the straight back. He also will go for the angle back when I try to send him straight back. Getting frustrated - he has always picked things up on the second or third day and we are in the second week with not much progress. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I'm working my 20 month old lab doing transition and he simply is not getting the back angle cast during eight handed casting. He will get it right a few times and then blows it and goes for the straight back. He also will go for the angle back when I try to send him straight back. Getting frustrated - he has always picked things up on the second or third day and we are in the second week with not much progress. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Struggling with this same issue. I have had to slow down and keep my dog from anticipating the cast. I use a great deal of attrition on this, and he is gradually getting better, but it is taking a while to get there.
Consider what Blaine said as well. Your dog can see every bit of your body language, and you may be tipping your hand a little. I'm sure part of the improvement associated with my slowing down is some change in my body language as well. I have considered having somebody tape me so I can try to find my tell.
Consider what Blaine said as well. Your dog can see every bit of your body language, and you may be tipping your hand a little. I'm sure part of the improvement associated with my slowing down is some change in my body language as well. I have considered having somebody tape me so I can try to find my tell.
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Probably a silly question, but have you taught the angled back casts first with only one pile at a time? Simplify with one pile and use tons of repetition to instill the dog in taking the right cast.
-Teach back pile first (use same back pile each time). (1-3 days)
-Teach left angled back pile only. (1-3 days)
-Mix and match sending to back pile and left angled back (1-3 days)
-Teach right angled back pile only (1-3 days)
-Mix and match sending to back pile and right angled back (1-3 days)
-Mix and match sending to left angled back, back pile and right angled back.
-Slowly build up to 8 piles and 8 handed casting (ongoing)
-Teach back pile first (use same back pile each time). (1-3 days)
-Teach left angled back pile only. (1-3 days)
-Mix and match sending to back pile and left angled back (1-3 days)
-Teach right angled back pile only (1-3 days)
-Mix and match sending to back pile and right angled back (1-3 days)
-Mix and match sending to left angled back, back pile and right angled back.
-Slowly build up to 8 piles and 8 handed casting (ongoing)
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There was a thread the other day with a great picture for a 5 cast drill. Running this drill over and over helped get mine. You could also do walking baseball and concentrate on these four specific casts (right angle back, right back, left back, left angle back).
Once you know she gets it, as in the difference between the casts, I would add pressure. This is where your body language is very important. You can put a little more "english" on your casts, move straight toward the dog (back) or take a step sideways (angle back) to be sure the dog sees the difference.
Once you know she gets it, as in the difference between the casts, I would add pressure. This is where your body language is very important. You can put a little more "english" on your casts, move straight toward the dog (back) or take a step sideways (angle back) to be sure the dog sees the difference.
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Look at the following three videos. This is a no pressure drill.
http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...read.php?83622-Hank-(by-Pirate)-teaching-angle-backs&highlight=Hank+(by+Pirate)
Phase I is where you put out all six of the bumpers and when you pick them up, you don't put them back out. Like at the end of the first video except all six bumpers not just three.
http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...hread.php?84174-Hank-(by-Pirate)-8-hand-casting-ph-2&highlight=Hank+(by+Pirate)
http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...hread.php?84605-Hank-(by-Pirate)-8-hand-casting-ph-3&highlight=Hank+(by+Pirate)
Hope this helps.
http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...read.php?83622-Hank-(by-Pirate)-teaching-angle-backs&highlight=Hank+(by+Pirate)
Phase I is where you put out all six of the bumpers and when you pick them up, you don't put them back out. Like at the end of the first video except all six bumpers not just three.
http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...hread.php?84174-Hank-(by-Pirate)-8-hand-casting-ph-2&highlight=Hank+(by+Pirate)
http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...hread.php?84605-Hank-(by-Pirate)-8-hand-casting-ph-3&highlight=Hank+(by+Pirate)
Hope this helps.
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I am at this same point in handling training as well. What do you think of having something like a canoe on the ground, 2 back piles at one end of the canoe and the dog about 3 feet in front of the other end of the canoe. Start about 10 feet away from the dog and work on both back casts making sure the dog turns the correct way for each. When things are going well, try the same set up without the canoe to test the progress. If things are working well, increase the length from the dog and then increase the length of the dog to the bumpers. This would almost guarantee sucess at first in the teaching stage. I seen a video somewhere that showed the use of a 90 degree corner in a fence to teach a back and over to gaurantee success in the training stage. Anyone ever try something like this...does it lead to other problems later?
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You can try to take a step with the correct foot to give an angle back and no movement for a straight back ...dogs tend to pick up on subtle differences fast...More difficult for some dogs than others ....simply as mentioned earlier ...don't toss bumper back out ...creates a big suction ...save that for later after the dog has master the cast.....Steve S
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Good point about the bumper creating a lot of suction. Mine always wants to go back, so I try to follow a back with a straight over, but I may not be doing the teaching I think I am doing because of the suction.
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