Here's my situation. I sold a pup to a guy last year the pup is 14 months old right now. I sell all my dogs with a hip eye guarantee until 26 months. With an official ofa result. Both parents hips are excellent. He emails me says he got hip prelims done on his 14 month old pup, the results came back mild hip dysphasia. He is wanting me to give him his money back and he wants to put the dog down. I told him i have absolutley no problem giving him his money back as soon as he tested her at 24 months and got an official rejected result. i tried telling him that there is a chance her hips will tighten up as she matures. And to give her a chance, but he is hell bent that nothing will change and they will only get worse. Well long story short he flew off the handle says I'm trying to get out of the contract this and that. First off all what would you all do? Second have any of you seen a pup prelim with mild dysphasia and actually test good after 2 years?
Hip guarantee question
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Here's my situation. I sold a pup to a guy last year the pup is 14 months old right now. I sell all my dogs with a hip eye guarantee until 26 months. With an official ofa result. Both parents hips are excellent. He emails me says he got hip prelims done on his 14 month old pup, the results came back mild hip dysphasia. He is wanting me to give him his money back and he wants to put the dog down. I told him i have absolutley no problem giving him his money back as soon as he tested her at 24 months and got an official rejected result. i tried telling him that there is a chance her hips will tighten up as she matures. And to give her a chance, but he is hell bent that nothing will change and they will only get worse. Well long story short he flew off the handle says I'm trying to get out of the contract this and that. First off all what would you all do? Second have any of you seen a pup prelim with mild dysphasia and actually test good after 2 years?
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That situation is simple to answer. Myself, I would give him his money back now in exchange for the pup. I would have advised just as you did to wait until the pup is older. But given what you described I would be asking for the pup back immediately, NOW ! I would want that pup back and he can have is money !
Yes, the guy who bought the pup is making a big mistake and not following the contract..... But my priority would be the right thing for the pup.
Yes, the guy who bought the pup is making a big mistake and not following the contract..... But my priority would be the right thing for the pup.
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Do the right thing.
If you have the stipulation in your contract that a dysplastic result from the OFA in a 24 month old dog warrants a refund, that's what you should stick to. Prelimbs, don't meet the requirement.
I also can't believe that he is serious about putting a 14 month old dog down, due to a mild result from a prelimb. I can understand wanting a refund, and being allowed to keep the dog. Or, even accepting a "replacement".
But, to volunteer to take on the expense and the pain of putting down a young dog that they have invested time, money, and emotion into over an OFA mild prelimb, is more than a little odd.
If you have the stipulation in your contract that a dysplastic result from the OFA in a 24 month old dog warrants a refund, that's what you should stick to. Prelimbs, don't meet the requirement.
I also can't believe that he is serious about putting a 14 month old dog down, due to a mild result from a prelimb. I can understand wanting a refund, and being allowed to keep the dog. Or, even accepting a "replacement".
But, to volunteer to take on the expense and the pain of putting down a young dog that they have invested time, money, and emotion into over an OFA mild prelimb, is more than a little odd.
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Be sure to give him his money back, and you should get your dog back immediately in exchange for the money. Somebody that would want to put the 14 month old dog down ahould never be allowed to buy another dog from anybody...ever! I understand that people want dogs with excellent phenotypic conformation, but to euthanize a dog with mildyly dysplastic hips at 14 months old wothout any other signs of hip dysplasia on the basis of xrays alone is absolutely ridiculus. Dysplastic or not, that dog deserves a better than that!
Hip dysplasia is not only genetic, but is multifactoral, as many may know. Other causes such as trauma, nutrtion, etc can play a role. I dont know what your contract says, but i would really define the method of hip dysplasia evaluation as well as age (ofa, pennhip, 2 yrs old, etc, so there is no negotiating in a circumstance like this. Keep us posted!
Hip dysplasia is not only genetic, but is multifactoral, as many may know. Other causes such as trauma, nutrtion, etc can play a role. I dont know what your contract says, but i would really define the method of hip dysplasia evaluation as well as age (ofa, pennhip, 2 yrs old, etc, so there is no negotiating in a circumstance like this. Keep us posted!
Thats exactly what my guarantee says. "Guaranteed to be certifiable AT 24 months of age" I was SHOCKED too when he said he'd just rather put the dog down. He said he has invested thousands in the dog and did not want to waste money on food and another exam in 10 months. Then proceeded to basically blame me for him wasting money on the prelim. blah blah blah. He got me a little fired up, called me a few names and questioned my integrity. I could go on and on......
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Return his money , get the dog.
My guarantee is that the dog will not become LAME from hip or elbow dysplasia , I never guarantee an OFA rating...too many variables including OFA !
My guarantee is that the dog will not become LAME from hip or elbow dysplasia , I never guarantee an OFA rating...too many variables including OFA !
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WOW. That's just - crazy. I feel like it's a two part answer for me. I wouldn't have a problem with you sticking to your health guarantee - it says OFA at 24 months. I've had two situtations similar to yours over the years. One was a guy that didn't have the OFA done until the pup was 3+ years old. He sent me an email and then got smart with me, and never sent me any documentation. I have a 26 month guarantee. I stuck to it. Mainly becuase of his attitude. The other was a 1 year old that started having problems, her vet said hip dysplasia, they took her to a top notch University vet program and had more tests done. They said she needed surgery. The folks called and were heartbroken. Sent documentation as soon as I asked for it showing where they had the surgery done and had her spayed. I refunded their money, even though they didn't have an OFA result. It just felt like the right thing to do.
I would want to get that pup out of that home as quickly as possible. Not becuase it's the right thing to do by the owner, but becuase it's the right thing to do by the pup.
To answer your last question - I personally have not seen a prelim come back better at 2 years old.
I would want to get that pup out of that home as quickly as possible. Not becuase it's the right thing to do by the owner, but becuase it's the right thing to do by the pup.
To answer your last question - I personally have not seen a prelim come back better at 2 years old.
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.... I'm looking for a nice started female.... If its a she? 
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I'd want a copy of the Pre-lims, for my vet to examine, you need the documentation. Still if you have it in your contract result at 24mt. you don't have to accept pre-lims, that's not your contract. But as he's so non-chalant about putting a 14mt dog down, that he's invested so much money in, perhaps has a vet agreeing to it, and doesn't want to wait, it seems like something else is going on. It doesn't make any since unless the dog is crippled or having other health issues, associated with the hips poor rating. Doesn't seem like an owner I want any of my pups with, You might want to get the dog back, for that reason alone. If you do refund the money the dogs is yours, he cannot put it down, still I'm wondering about her condition with a situation like this.
I have seen a dog come back good-fair after a semi-dys prelim, I've seen them come back good on a very large dog, after the Orto-vet told me to wait another year and send them in at 3. Dogs particularly big dogs grow slower, hips and bone structure can still be changing, (there's a reason they are called Pre-lims)dogs are still growing, if the rating couldn't change they'd just be Lims & OFA wouldn't make you wait until 2. Let's not forget bad positioning, wrong interpretations etc.
I have seen a dog come back good-fair after a semi-dys prelim, I've seen them come back good on a very large dog, after the Orto-vet told me to wait another year and send them in at 3. Dogs particularly big dogs grow slower, hips and bone structure can still be changing, (there's a reason they are called Pre-lims)dogs are still growing, if the rating couldn't change they'd just be Lims
& OFA wouldn't make you wait until 2. Let's not forget bad positioning, wrong interpretations etc.
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What Huntemup said. Could very well be bad positioning. But with the put her down attitude, get the dog....
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Agreeing with everything said here, but make sure you have any registration papers signed over to you and in hand from this owner when you get the dog and before any money changes hands.
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A friend of mine had a dog that was OFA "mildly dysplastic." Not only did she live to be 16, but never took a bad step her entire life.
I would pay the fellow for the pup and take her back. It is possible that she was x-rayed slightly before or after being in heat and this could have a bearing on the prelim as well as how the positioning was done at time of x-ray. I doubt she will get worse than mildly dysplastic. If she doesn't get a number at 24 mos., she can always be spayed and still make a great dog.
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If its mild it can likely live a fine life... Neuter/Spay, get it back, give him a refund and find a good home for it...
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I bought one of my pups back from a guy one time. Actually my wife made me do it after we found out how the dog was being treated poorly. Best thing that ever happened to me or the dog. She has been a great hunting dog for13 yrs and the easiest dog I ever trained once we over came her poor social skills.
Not about health issues or guarantees but do the right thing by the dog,
Not about health issues or guarantees but do the right thing by the dog,
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i had a guy call me and tell me he didn't want his dog any more because "he crapped in obedience class." Said it was so embarassing and stinky...how that was my fault as the breeder was beyond me. He wouldn't even bring the dog back to my home--he brought it to my office.
Had a friend who lived down the street from him. Right after he returned my 1-yr old dog, he showed up with two yellow pups that were from "champion" bloodlines. Shortly after, one of the pups couldn't walk or stand...then the other. They were both affected with CNM.
My pup left in the back seat of a cadillac to his new home a few weeks later.
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Had a friend who lived down the street from him. Right after he returned my 1-yr old dog, he showed up with two yellow pups that were from "champion" bloodlines. Shortly after, one of the pups couldn't walk or stand...then the other. They were both affected with CNM.
My pup left in the back seat of a cadillac to his new home a few weeks later.
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