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#2 · (Edited)
The traditional choke chain simply pulls tighter on the neck. The prongs dig into the dogs neck when he pulls on it and it is uncomfortable. He will stop pulling to prevent the discomfort.

I had never used the prong collar before but I had a high roller and so I decided to try the prong collar. The dog would almost jerk my arm off using the traditional choke chain. The prong collar stopped all that. It works.

Like the old joke: Patient told doctor it hurts when I do this. Dr. response, then don't do that.

There was a long post, I believe by Chris, on prong collars. I will see if I can find it.

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I agree with Wayne. Also dogs learn to tolerate many things. just think of the dogs that are kept chained to a dog house . Then I see them come in for boarding pulling their owners in the door with the dog "On" a choker collar. I have used a prong collar at times with certain dogs that are already pulling my arm off. After using the prong I can go back to the traditional collar. Sue
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
Thanks for the reply Wayne!
I figured there must be something about it from past posts. I'm not savvy enough to have found it.
I think it's time for me to change to a pinch for the pup. He's 9 months old now and I'm sure he can handle the change. The local dog training supply store does have the sprenger at 25 bucks. I thought it was kinda steep but she also told me it is the best out there.
They also sell these little rubber things that you can put on the prongs ends so it doesn't dig in so much I guess.
Anyways thanks, happy Sunday
 
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mitty said:
For training, you can get a snappier correction with a choke collar if you use it correctly. At least that is what I was told by a one of the Pelted.
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The Pelted ones....hmmm don't have a clue.
But from what I've read and heard the majority say its easier to get a correction, heck I don't know I'm a newbie. But my puppy is starting to lengthen my arm with the yanking when I'm not expecting it.
I'm going to Buy one. The lady at the store said she'd be happy to demonstrate how to correctly use it.
thanks again for responses
 
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uplandbird said:
The Pelted ones....hmmm don't have a clue.
But from what I've read and heard the majority say its easier to get a correction, heck I don't know I'm a newbie. But my puppy is starting to lengthen my arm with the yanking when I'm not expecting it.
I'm going to Buy one. The lady at the store said she'd be happy to demonstrate how to correctly use it.
thanks again for responses
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You know you're an RTF newb if you don't know what a pelt is!

The way I remember it, the prong collar is effective at stopping some unwanted behaviors but less effective than the choke chain at teaching the dog to link the disobedience to the correction. The prong collar is doing the work, but with the choke chain the handler has to do the work and time the correction with a command. Presumably this makes it all more black and white for the dog to speed up its learning.

Sorry I am not able to explain it better. I hope this helps.
 
#9 ·
Used properly it is safer and far more effective than the chain choker. I also liked the snap around nylon choker but the pinch collar worked where the nylon choker failed.
 
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I guess by pelted it means "coonskins on the wall" aka ribbons, titles.
 
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gdgnyc said:
Used properly it is safer and far more effective than the chain choker. I also liked the snap around nylon choker but the pinch collar worked where the nylon choker failed.
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just like any piece of training equipment, the proper use by the handler is more important than the equipment itself...I remember as a teen I didnt realize that a choke chain worked better when the tension was applied under the throat as opposed to on top of the neck, after all we are not trying to "choke out" an opponent WWE style


on another note : where can I get one of those flat nylon slip leads, the one I had had the Purina logo on it and looked like the kind they use in the show dog rings..I liked using it when transporting a dog or going to the holding blind, because they can easily be placed in your pocket...and easily be lost
 
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BonMallari said:
just like any piece of training equipment, the proper use by the handler is more important than the equipment itself...I remember as a teen I didnt realize that a choke chain worked better when the tension was applied under the throat as opposed to on top of the neck, after all we are not trying to "choke out" an opponent WWE style


on another note : where can I get one of those flat nylon slip leads, the one I had had the Purina logo on it and looked like the kind they use in the show dog rings..I liked using it when transporting a dog or going to the holding blind, because they can easily be placed in your pocket...and easily be lost
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Leerburg has something Bon
 
#15 ·
I attended a high level competitive obedience seminar many years ago and was surprised to see that the trainer worked solely with pinch collars. Since then, I have seen a better reaction and smoother transition to CC with the pinch collar. My latest puppy at three months, I put on a pinch collar instead of a choke chain and he got the message right away. Think it is a wonderful tool.
 
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mitty said:
For training, you can get a snappier correction with a choke collar if you use it correctly. At least that is what I was told by a one of the Pelted.
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they lied to you.

Sharon van der Lee said:
I put on a pinch collar instead of a choke chain and he got the message right away. Think it is a wonderful tool.
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yes it is,
I only use choke chains at events,
up to the last holding blind.
no other reason to own one.
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
Thanks for all advice, I will be getting a Sprenger pinch tonight. It does have the smaller pinch links. So I'm going with that brand. The lady at the shop also said the smaller links work a lot more smoothly. She doesn't even carry the ones that look like like they are ~1.5 wide. The transition from choke to pinch might will happen shortly after that since she's using my little Finley as demo dog....

I guess by pelted it means "coonskins on the wall" aka ribbons, titles. Thanks Wayne.
The person I noted had pelts on the wall in relation to his named is Howard N from AK.
Happy Monday all
 
Discussion starter · #19 · (Edited)
Bon
We got bags of them at vet clinic, But the width is only 1/2 inch. I've seen the purina ones they look to be 1 inch and a little longer in length.
But if that doesn't bother you I bet your vet clinic has them and would just give you a couple. Probably has their logo on it so its cheap advertising for them!

on another note : where can I get one of those flat nylon slip leads, the one I had had the Purina logo on it and looked like the kind they use in the show dog rings..I liked using it when transporting a dog or going to the holding blind, because they can easily be placed in your pocket...and easily be lost[/QUOTE]
 
#20 ·
mitty said:
That's probably why he is so successful. He convinces the competition to use choke chains, meanwhile he secretly uses prong collars. :razz:
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or maybe he has the skill and dog cents to do it.
or maybe the feller who does his young dog work for him uses them long before the dog ever gets to his truck;-)
lots of old school dog folk do not like um.
say they can do it with an old choke chain.
but hand that same chain to miss molly minivan and I rest my case. prong is the way to go.
 
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