I have been running AKC tests and want to run a few UKC tests this fall. One question I have is if you do not pass the first part of a test are you still allowed to run the second part? I think I saw somewhere that you were but I can not find it.
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I have been running AKC tests and want to run a few UKC tests this fall. One question I have is if you do not pass the first part of a test are you still allowed to run the second part? I think I saw somewhere that you were but I can not find it.
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In HRC you may run the second part but it will still be counted as a failure. Some people do and some don't. One reason that I can see not to is if you are worried about creating bad habits. For instance, if you had a line manner problem in the first series, you wouldn't want to reinforce the problem in duplicate thus cementing it more. Of course their are other good examples of when it would be more appropriate
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Thanks. I thought that was correct. I do see that sometimes you would not want to run the second part in fear of re enforcing bad habits but a lot of our problems could be due to operator error and we might benefit from it.
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It really depends on why you failed the test. If you fail for gun safety, then you cannot run the remainder of the day.
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Dman, you are correct.
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Yes you can run the next series, but as a judge I have rarely seen a benefit to it. Some times if the failure was handler error, we ask them to do test dog, that way they can run, but maybe get some help. If your dog breaks in first series, please do not run second series, they will break again. Also , please take in consideration the time of day and weather. Please let the dogs still in contention to run first. Now if you are running started and dog had trouble in first series and failed, by all means try again and get help for the pup.
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^^^^THIS
Having to deal with those who failed the first series and were first inline for the second series drove me out of HRC and judging. This and walk ups have and will continue to keep HRC behind the other hunt test organization IMO. Call backs and closing dates would make it easier for quality tests to be set up utilizing the property and time more effectively.
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So, if you are running out of contention because you've already failed why not run the test on lead and reinforce a reasonable correction? Just curious. It is against the HRC rules to run with a collar on if you've already failed or, do "no training on the grounds" rule apply regardless of if you've already failed or not?
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Why will a "walk up" keep HRC behind other organizations?
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I think the ability to run whether your out or not is a good thing, Considering your paying $65+, at least you have the ability to get all your birds and have a full experience. Believe it or not an experience can be worth just as much; perhaps more than a $5 ribbon. My first HRC experience my dog picked up a Hot-blind, I was nervous, I forgot it was hot. A 3 hour drive, a new venue, first bird, first series, 15 seconds and we're out. I was pretty glad for the option to play that day 
. The HRC is the team-work venue the handler can fail the team just as quickly as the dog, where else can you practice work as a team-under pressure? Many people train alone, they don't get many multiple marks, they don't have access to much water. It's sad when you go to a test, with beautiful water and never see a water-mark, or never get to see if your dog can do a triple because the dog just missed it in the first, or you screwed up. Watching a dog in multiple series can reveal habits and tell you exactly what you need to work on. Sure there are some aspects you would not want to encourage by running a series, but if it's not detrimental to further progression, what's the big deal about letting a dog get his birds, letting the handler have a good-time running his dog. The Judges-workers already signed up for all day. You cannot drink at an HRC event until all stakes are completed, so what else are we gonna do? Take a nap in the shade while waiting for the dinner and the raffle, I get grumpy if I take a nap.
. The HRC is the team-work venue the handler can fail the team just as quickly as the dog, where else can you practice work as a team-under pressure? Many people train alone, they don't get many multiple marks, they don't have access to much water. It's sad when you go to a test, with beautiful water and never see a water-mark, or never get to see if your dog can do a triple because the dog just missed it in the first, or you screwed up. Watching a dog in multiple series can reveal habits and tell you exactly what you need to work on. Sure there are some aspects you would not want to encourage by running a series, but if it's not detrimental to further progression, what's the big deal about letting a dog get his birds, letting the handler have a good-time running his dog. The Judges-workers already signed up for all day. You cannot drink at an HRC event until all stakes are completed, so what else are we gonna do? Take a nap in the shade while waiting for the dinner and the raffle, I get grumpy if I take a nap.
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I agree. It's part of the reason HRC is so much friendlier than AKC HT. I used to not believe HRC would take so many people from AKC but, I think stuff like running all series and a better organized and run Grand versus the Master National pollution of politics into weekend tests will contribute to even more growth in coming years
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Cost associated with birds and labor for weekend test are increasing rapidly. The inability to plan for those costs will eventually sink some clubs whether they run lean or not. Breaking even on hunt test will be a thing of the past when costs rise each and every year by double digits.
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He did not mean a walk up in a test, but walk up entries the morning of the test. If you have never been a HTS, you will never understand the issues of morning walk up entries. I understand that most of the started entries walk up that morning and those are your money dogs but those same ones will sign up in advance for an AKC hunt but never for HRC.
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Karen, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I have been at the sign up table on Saturday morning and also have had caravans come by my house on Thursday to drop off paperwork for hunt test. Why work your people to death for something that has an easy solution?
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You are allowed to run the second part of the test. As others have said, sometimes you may not want to as in the case of possibly creating a problem, but, if you failed for marking for example (handling to the AOF twice) you might want to run the afternoon test for the practice and more line time.
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I am 100% agreeing with you. I was trying to reply to the guy that asked what a walk up has to do with keeping HRC back. I tried highlighting only that quote and it did not work. As of the morning walk ups I hate it. I am the HTS for the HRC part of our club.
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Being able to run the second series is one of the things that I like about HRC. Depending on what the issue is, running the second series can give a dog/handler team a chance to correct a behavior in the HT arena. I have a dog that creeps and have been picking her up - great opportunity for me to pick her up again if she misbehaves.
However, like Karen, I am not a fan of day of entries. Can really be a pain for the HTS - hard to plan for birds, dinners, etc. And, as smeone said, handlers will enter before the AKC closing date but many not for HRC.
As for friendliness - come on down to the bottom of the US - Treasure Coast Retriever Club in Okeechobee, FL - we are friendly at every event - AKC, HRC, HT or FT. We really appreciate folks who enter our tests, we have a great tailgate, nice land and folks always seem to have a good time.
However, like Karen, I am not a fan of day of entries. Can really be a pain for the HTS - hard to plan for birds, dinners, etc. And, as smeone said, handlers will enter before the AKC closing date but many not for HRC.
As for friendliness - come on down to the bottom of the US - Treasure Coast Retriever Club in Okeechobee, FL - we are friendly at every event - AKC, HRC, HT or FT. We really appreciate folks who enter our tests, we have a great tailgate, nice land and folks always seem to have a good time.
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