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#21 ·
MooseGooser said:
Back in those days. I dont ever recall witnessing a 35 yrd mark at any test level.

Most were pushing the distance in the rule book ,,100 yrds
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this I am sure is regional and may have to do with the natural cover you have. many of your classic rtf photos, you do not have a lot of cover;)
we have still a handfull of judges here that can throw a "test in a teacup" not as common but often huge pucker factor!
 
#22 · (Edited)
Out here; Senior AKC usually very poorly "hidden" holding blinds (Forest Camo is not hidden in Desert enviro) and they do still call and shoot from the station, all wingers. One rule change is there is No longer a call on the walk-up (supposed to be a short right in your face retrieve). Of course then you gets a trick-sy judge that puts a holding blind right out there to be seen (hiding the blind planter-bull-dog or something) and then hides the real stations, (well). That one was Fun; taught me; I need to work on turning my dog off holding blinds and with hidden stations ;).
 
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Ken

Remember I said "back in the day"

Now ( present day) a walk up by RULE is 35 yrds hidden gun,,surprise throw with no attention getter.. This is very different,,,very HRC like..

Same cover now as then,, and I see short marks often, with very hidden guns,, and weird throws.
 
Discussion starter · #24 · (Edited)
Maybe,,

What the discussion should be is this:

Since per the RULES,, "marking is of PRIMARY importance" ,Consider what a very Prominent person and Judge here on RTF once Gave me in writing with regards to marks.

"If you want to place your PRIMARY emphasis on marking (and remember it is OK to emphasize other qualities, as long as you are aware that is what you are doing), Then,,,

A. Dog should see the gun
B. Dog should see the bird
C. Consider the small dog
D. A & B are difficult when:
1. Dog never has a chance to get set (e.g. a walk up)
2. Birds are called to quickly
3. Sun is in the dogs eyes
4. BACKGROUND FOR GUN IS POOR
5. BACKGROUND FOR BIRD IS POOR
6. There is something that distracts the dogs from seeing the gun or bird (e.g. Close in flyer)

Understand the impact of D1- D6 on your testing of dogs marking.



Gooser thinks this information above is KEY,, if you ARE REALLY TESTING A DOGS MARKING ABILITY.

IMHO,, If you drift away from these basics,, the more you drift,, the less you are testing marking,,but something else,, and I for one,, dont know what you call it.. but it isnt Marking...




Gooser
 
#25 ·
MooseGooser said:
I was strictly talking AKC hunt tests.

I have been really surprised how similar the more recent tests I have seen are to ( god help me) HRC.

Back when I was younger , an AKC set of judges wanted a person who could throw! They had to have an arm! I know for a fact , that Lainee is about to fall of the sofa laughing, but Gooser was asked often to throw for Master, cause I had an arm!

They wanted(demanded) the dog SEE the bird! They got his attention first with a call , or Bubba yellin "there goes one" then they shot the bird at the top of a very high arching throw.

They threw a dog a MARK!!!!!

They had me out in the open with a chair and bag of birds. I was dressed in Camo most of the time, at least a drab color, and the Judge wanted that bird thrown high in the air, and have it fall in the exact same place each time. Ya hadn't better frock up the throw either!

Most always, you would then sit down in your chair and watch the dog work.
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CHICKEN WING had an arm? Hmmmm.... ;) See ya Saturday?
 
#26 ·
MooseGooser said:
Back in those days. I dont ever recall witnessing a 35 yrd mark at any test level.

Most were pushing the distance in the rule book ,,100 yrds
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Gooser got out his fish measuring stick again...lol.. It was "this big!" hahahaa..
 
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MooseGooser said:
I was strictly talking AKC hunt tests.

I have been really surprised how similar the more recent tests I have seen are to ( god help me) HRC.

Back when I was younger , an AKC set of judges wanted a person who could throw! They had to have an arm! I know for a fact , that Lainee is about to fall of the sofa laughing, but Gooser was asked often to throw for Master, cause I had an arm!

They wanted(demanded) the dog SEE the bird! They got his attention first with a call , or Bubba yellin "there goes one" then they shot the bird at the top of a very high arching throw.

They threw a dog a MARK!!!!!

They had me out in the open with a chair and bag of birds. I was dressed in Camo most of the time, at least a drab color, and the Judge wanted that bird thrown high in the air, and have it fall in the exact same place each time. Ya hadn't better frock up the throw either!

Most always, you would then sit down in your chair and watch the dog work.
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Need I say more:cool:

 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
I swear they all show up on training days just to watch Gooser screw up,, miss shots,, loose his temper,, and basically whine about everything..



OHHHHHH and lets not forget.......... Get his arse chewed!
 
#30 ·
MooseGooser said:
I swear they all show up on training days just to watch Gooser screw up,, miss shots,, loose his temper,, and basically whine about everything..



OHHHHHH and lets not forget.......... Get his arse chewed!
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Not this weekend! Bring your Yote setup, I want to see it.
 
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2tall said:
Sorry Gooser, I just go back 8 years, but never saw an exposed gun in the field, Junior or Senior. More important to me, is that they do not use any kind of call or signalling device once you get to Senior, so that dog MUST move with you to see the birds fall. That is what failed us Sunday, dog would not come off first mark and never saw flyer!
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Paul "Happy" Gilmore said:
They stopped duck calls in the Senior HT? wow...
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Only on the walk up. Other marks have a duck call and shot. At least I've never seen a senior, or master for that matter, where there wasn't a duck call before the throw. Again, except on the walk up.
 
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Maybe I'm deaf. I did not hear a single call on any mark in the last three seniors. I know they used them all the time when I first tried with the older dog. It made him insane.
 
#35 ·
Section 4. Test Set-Up.
The Judges, with paramount regard to Section 1 of this Chapter, shall determine the tests to be given and shall design those tests in order to approximate as nearly as possible the conditions met in true hunting situations. In keeping with this aim, the Judges shall design and enhance hunting situations by utilizing, as naturally as possible, the equipment that would be found in a true upland game or waterfowl hunting situation. Strategic placement of numerous decoys, use of camouflaged blinds to conceal guns and throwers, duck boats, duck and goose calls, etc., are necessary adjuncts to Hunting Tests for Retrievers.
 
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2tall said:
Maybe I'm deaf. I did not hear a single call on any mark in the last three seniors. I know they used them all the time when I first tried with the older dog. It made him insane.
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I have to ask-what exactly did they kill the flyer with? Lasers? Your dog didn't pull off the dead mark cause he didn't want to, they do that sometimes. I find it hard to believe not a single call was used in the last 3 tests you have run.
 
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Well Nancy they didn't kill it with a duck call! Like I said, I must be hard of hearing cause I never heard a duck call. Too many years of rock 'n roll. And of course he didn't pull off the memory bird because "he didn't want to". That's his "issue". Work in progress.

By the way Nancy, my training partners these days are rocket scientist.
 
Discussion starter · #38 ·
Mrs Gooser video'd my tests. There were calls and shots on all marks except walk up.

They also used Ft Poppers as the shots. Them things is REALLY LOUD!!

Me and Flinchie was both flinchin
 
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Yep, my hubbie says he heard calls. Thats typical of me, in a zone and not hearing.
 
#40 · (Edited)
Calls AND shots. Plenty of attention getters, judges following the rules......there ya go.

Sorry Goose didn't mean to derail your thread- we almost always use a holding blind or natural cover to hide the Gunners out here in the Midwest.

Hot pants Pals(obviously not a rocket scientist but still a judge in good standing) regards,
 
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