What say you, RTF? If you got an 8 week old puppy and it had an underbite like this?
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Sharon Potter
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Never understood that bonding bullshit Sharon?
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That bonding issue is where Mr. Wolters did a diservice to dogs. I understand his point was to not "farm raise" dogs in a kennel without socializing them, but he WAY OVERSTRESSES the bonding. Or rather missed the point entirely. The idea that most people take away from his books are to bond ON the 49th day. But the real point is to be ABLE to form a bond with HUMANS before that. Actually Fox's research, which he cites, states that much earlier closer to week 4 is the point that dogs should learn to interact with people. Not specific people. Just people. The pervasive myth that you MUST have your puppy by day 49 or it will never bond WITH YOU is just wrong. (I am sorry for the soap boxing)
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Sharon,
I had a wonderful, well bred, YLF, with a drastic overbite. Breeder showed it to me and required spaying.
As I am not a breeder I was happy with the discount.
She was a great hunter, carried geese and pheasants easily. As she did smaller birds like chukars and doves.
Ate and drank the same way as my male with a perfect bite ate and drank.
She never knew her teeth did not align and we never told her.
I had a wonderful, well bred, YLF, with a drastic overbite. Breeder showed it to me and required spaying.
As I am not a breeder I was happy with the discount.
She was a great hunter, carried geese and pheasants easily. As she did smaller birds like chukars and doves.
Ate and drank the same way as my male with a perfect bite ate and drank.
She never knew her teeth did not align and we never told her.
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Psst more bad language on a poor puppy gone bad real pet owners bond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My point being Laurie....I`ve had 2 and 3 yo dogs that went to new owners and their main concern was "bonding" what a load of crap......Hell watched a dog that was QAA crawl in a cadillac and not even look back goin out the drive.....Jim
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Jim, I agree,,, I've got a 5 year old AA dog living in the house with me now....He spent those 5 years outside in a kennel...100% trial dog,,No pet.
I never even saw this dog until October of this year....You would think he lived here since birth,,,,Dogs don't care who feeds them,,as long as they get fed
They'll bond to who feeds them.
Merry Christmas,, Randy
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Got to get you out here Randy.......1/18 am?? Merry Christmas.Jim, I agree,,, I've got a 5 year old AA dog living in the house with me now....He spent those 5 years outside in a kennel...100% trial dog,,No pet.
I never even saw this dog until October of this year....You would think he lived here since birth,,,,Dogs don't care who feeds them,,as long as they get fed
They'll bond to who feeds them.
Merry Christmas,, Randy
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I agree. My Niki was 10 months old when I bought her. The minute I snapped the collar on her she knew she was mine, and never looked back.
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That was my point as well --as stated above. Kills me when people argue the bonding issue. I have had several dogs seeming VERY bonded to us that didn't join the family until well into adulthood. The relationship with your dog is in direct correlation to what you you put in. IMHO.
Just saying Fox's research was misstated and misused. He was investigating interspecies interaction. Essentially domesticaation not individual bonding.
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How come when I send a dog to my trainer at six months or so, they seem to bond so well with them?(the trainer) Then when they come home at some time later, it is like they were never gone....? Yes, there is some transistion in training that takes place...but it takes place quickly. I have a five year old sleeping at my feet. He spent almost two years with his trainer, then came home and went back again two times in the last year. I think he may just like us both....JD
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I had a person who purchased a pup from our last litter that was concerned because I do not have a beard and he did! He was concerned about bonding with a 49 day old puppy!
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people are crazy. I would have had a tough time not laughing out loud at that kind of question!
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This guy was a nice guy but crazy is an understatement. I could write a book with some of the things he questioned. My 10 year old son had to excuse himself when this guy was trying to pick his puppy because he was having a hard time not laughing at the questions.
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Exactly. Some breeds are purposely bred with underbites, english bullies for one. The dog can have a quality of life. I'm not suggesting this dog be bred by any means and it should be spayed/nuetered at first opportunity. But I wouldn't have it euthanized becuase of it, there are to many alternatives to that.
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Some people believe that most dogs should. I still have seen underbites correct themselves. The skull can grown at different rates.
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If they knew and didn't care, that's one thing and entirely their option. The point of the OP was what would you do if you got such a pup, not just significantly bad bite but missing teeth, eating funny, without disclosure up front and later, a BS story from the breeder who knew before hand? I'd be pissed.I believe Tom Bogusky is plenty pleased with the pup he got with an underbite problem
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I've seen very slight overbites correct, but underbites rarely ever do, especially when it's this obvious. An underbite where the teeth still touch? Maybe. But with dentition like this, I'd wager a sizeable amount on it staying the same or worse.
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That's what I've heard as well. I've not personally had to deal with bad bites, knock really hard on wood, but if and when it happens, they'll be placed accordingly, with disclosure. No reason for it to be a death sentence, or even a career-ender, but, buyers have the right to know and decide for themselves. I'd not keep a pup with underbite, at all, but slight overbite, with really promising pup, maybe, at least until it was old enough for OFA prelims.
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I still don't see the necessity or purpose of this thread. It seems as if it is a close an attempt as possible to throw someone under a bus. The breeder gave back the money and did not force giving back the dog or force a euthanasia. No one knows what this person/breeder was thinking, or not thinking. I have not had an underbite, but I have seen them correct themselves. Threads like this always amuse me, because they are always full of "I nevers" but when push comes to shove, the "I nevers" are never a reality.
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