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#41 ·
JusticeDog said:
I still don't see the necessity or purpose of this thread. It seems as if it is a close an attempt as possible to throw someone under a bus. The breeder gave back the money and did not force giving back the dog or force a euthanasia. No one knows what this person/breeder was thinking, or not thinking. I have not had an underbite, but I have seen them correct themselves. Threads like this always amuse me, because they are always full of "I nevers" but when push comes to shove, the "I nevers" are never a reality.
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but Susan this is RTF.....EVERYTHING IS REALITY
 
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I guess I'd better clarify my point in starting this thread. And my apologies for not being more clear initially. My question in bold:

Is it acceptable for a breeder to know and then not disclose issues like this? The average puppy buyer doesn't know to look for stuff like a bite that's off, or an umbilical hernia, etc.

This buyer found out at the new puppy vet check a couple of days after picking up the puppy. And yes, a refund was given of $1000 of the original $1500. And the breeder REFUSED to take the puppy back...the buyers initially wanted to return it immediately following the vet appointment and the breeder flat out refused.
 
#45 ·
A breeder refusing a puppy back shouldn't be breeding, Period. A refund would depend on the purpose the puppy was purchased for... If the buyer didn't know enough to look for a bite, I would hope it wasn't bought as a breeding prospect. For a pet/companion/performance dog, is it going to affect it's life/job?? As a breeder, I would pay for a consult with a dental specialist and go from there.

YES, it should have absolutely been pointed out by the breeder!
 
Discussion starter · #46 ·
Gun_Dog2002 said:
Was it listed in the contract?

/Paul
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What contract? The only guarantee is that hips are guaranteed against severe dysplasia for 25 months. Wonder what happens if the hips come back as mildly dysplastic?
 
#49 ·
Sharon Potter said:
What contract? The only guarantee is that hips are guaranteed against severe dysplasia for 25 months. Wonder what happens if the hips come back as mildly dysplastic?
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Well, buyer beware. Research your bloodlines and your breeder before buying. There are many things not covered under contract and the buyer assumes the risk.

/Paul
 
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Gun_Dog2002 said:
Well, buyer beware. Research your bloodlines and your breeder before buying. There are many things not covered under contract and the buyer assumes the risk.

/Paul
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I guess it's best for total dog owner newbies to become educated by getting burned the first time so they know to look for a better breeder the next time (said tongue in cheek). The average guy off the street who has never owned a dog or bought a puppy before doesn't know what questions to ask, doesn't have a mentor of any sort, and figures the breeder is the knowledgeable one. The vast majority of these folks know nothing about health issues or contracts or guarantees and have never heard of this stuff. They don't know how to pick out a good breeder or that they should even have to think about that.
 
#51 ·
Sadly, the majority of the dog-buying public not only doesn't know where to look for a good breeder, they're easily swayed by a slick website and a few photos of cute puppies. We can preach to each other all we like here but it's not going to change that. my own sister bought a silver Lab from a horrific non-AKC reg. breeding that is crippled w/dysplasia and autoimmune problems and barely over a year old..:roll:.
 
#52 ·
We educate as much as we can, but unfortunately the majority of the people we educate still go buy a cheaper puppy out of the paper. The buyers we get are those that have been burned before. It is sad, but seems to be the reality. As has been stated a million times over "the cheapest part of the dog is the price you pay for the puppy".
 
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JusticeDog said:
I still don't see the necessity or purpose of this thread. It seems as if it is a close an attempt as possible to throw someone under a bus. The breeder gave back the money and did not force giving back the dog or force a euthanasia. No one knows what this person/breeder was thinking, or not thinking. I have not had an underbite, but I have seen them correct themselves. Threads like this always amuse me, because they are always full of "I nevers" but when push comes to shove, the "I nevers" are never a reality.
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Agreed. What more do they think the breeder should do?
 
#54 ·
mjh345 said:
Agreed. What more do they think the breeder should do?
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Ummm, I'd start with they should have taken the pup back! Any reputable, responsible breeder does just that. And they don't hide facts that may be lifelong issues from the future owners!

I've seen dogs like that, and their teeth were always a problem w/ such a bad bite = Added costs that should not have been, esp w/ a dog selling for $1500.

I am also sick and tired of breeders who sell their pups as hunting etc prospects etc that have never done a damned thing w/ their dogs, don't even bother to use titled studs, and then when they do breed, they go to the local dog so they don't have to incur any more expenses than need be. They are quick to procure deposits though, make big promises that the faster they pay a deposit, the higher their "pick" number will be. They surely don't introduce the puppies to wings let alone live birds. But they have excess lip service.

Nope I totally get it what Sharon is trying to say here, but Sharon, you know that saying that you can lead a horse to water....
 
#55 ·
windycanyon said:
Ummm, I'd start with they should have taken the pup back! Any reputable, responsible breeder does just that.
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Really? Most people scream and holler that they want to keep the pup, and they want their money back. In this instance, they got to pick where the pup was placed. The mouth looked really immature to me, and the adult teeth could be a whole different story. People touting they are reputable, how do you know? I wouldn't breed on prelims, but yet people do. I wouldn't breed on a failed hip or elbow clearance, yet people do. I wouldn't breed a dog with known skin and allergy conditions, yet people do. I would hesitate big time to breed fair hips, unless there was actual documented depth and breadth in a pedigree, yet people do. All of these things have been done by purported "reputable" people, who have given newbs a bad time about refunds and returns.


Again, although I know it was not Sharon's intent, has become one of throwing an unknown breeder under the bus, while touting the virtures of other puppy sellers.
 
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Discussion starter · #56 ·
I guess it all boils down to live and learn. And it's no big deal as long as it happens to somebody else. I'm just glad this wasn't a client of mine. To each their own...we all get to do what we believe is the right thing. That isn't likely to be consistent among breeders, and so be it.
 
#57 ·
JusticeDog said:
Really? Most people scream and holler that they want to keep the pup, and they want their money back. In this instance, they got to pick where the pup was placed. The mouth looked really immature to me, and the adult teeth could be a whole different story. People touting they are reputable, how do you know? I wouldn't breed on prelims, but yet people do. I wouldn't breed on a failed hip or elbow clearance, yet people do. I wouldn't breed a dog with known skin and allergy conditions, yet people do. I would hesitate big time to breed fair hips, unless there was actual documented depth and breadth in a pedigree, yet people do. All of these things have been done by purported "reputable" people, who have given newbs a bad time about refunds and returns.


Again, although I know it was not Sharon's intent, has become one of throwing an unknown breeder under the bus, while touting the virtures of other puppy sellers.
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Susan, I've NEVER seen an underbite at 7 + wks correct, have you?
 
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