Am I noticing a trend in the demand for competitive puppies swinging towards litters sired by the hot young FC/AFC studs that are winning on the circuits vs the proven producers?
Proven producer vs Hot competitor?
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With unproven studs or proven also- I look at the quality of the parents, and the grandparents. Hopefully all 6 were outstanding dogs. Then I look at siblings. I want dogs who are strong performers with strong litter mates. Same with the parents- strong dogs from strong litters.
I am unlikely to breed to a stud who is the only dog who did anything in his litter, or who has parents who weren't from solid litters.
I am unlikely to breed to a stud who is the only dog who did anything in his litter, or who has parents who weren't from solid litters.
I agree. Nice response.
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I think the current trend is seeking EIC clear vs proven producers or proven competitors... 
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What makes you say this? I think the current trend in competitive dogs at least is proven producers or competitors that are have health clearances. I know some are looking for EIC clear, but there are also many breedings of EIC clear to carrier. This whole issue has been beat to death on RTF. Of course, its still the wild, wild west in many BY breedings where the owners don't give a hoot about any health clearances.I think the current trend is seeking EIC clear vs proven producers or proven competitors...
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I think my definition of a proven producer is a little different than some others. If a dog doesn't have a real record as a consistent producers why not go with a less proven, but exceptional sire?
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And you have to remember someone always has to be the first. Sires aren't born proven reproducers.
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Not necessarily, I know of some very good FC-AFC's that never really passed on their great genes when bred. On the other hand I have seen certain dogs just click and produce great dogs from multiple litters, even though they hadn't achieved much in the way of titles.
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I would want to use the Sire of the Hot new competitor .
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Years ago a pro had a very nice BLM with 33 open seconds, never titled, never sired a litter. I was surprised that someone never used him, great pedigree and all the health clearances required. Part of the problem was he was owned by someone who had no use for bothering with breeding
True that, but competitive/titled females arent bred to just any male either.
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That's a heart breaker. Second place is so close and very hard on its own, to miss by one place 33 times is unbelievable.
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I guess some people would rather see another person take the risk with an unproven stud. Some people just like taking that chance and don't mind. Some times you win some times you lose. With a proven stud with a great production record your odds may be a little better.
I've actually been in contact with a couple of A-listers that have both. They own both a proven producer and hot young competitors and claim that they are getting more calls for litters and upcoming litters by their young dogs. Not many calls for their proven studs.
This surprises me.
This surprises me.
Can you share the name of this nice animal? PM is fine.
Thanks.
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I have always wondered what it was about Tiger that made him such a popular stud. There were a couple of females that he really clicked with. He was only QAA, but he must have had plenty of all-age points but just didn't title? I have a Chopper son that is completely clean who is QAA that I bred once to a master hunter. All the dogs but one went to hunting homes. One went to a field trial amateur. The pup ages out of derby this summer but probably won't run any. He went out on a qual water blind last weekend. Really nice dog. I wish I hadn't sold him... I took him for the stud fee and decided I had enough dogs around already. :-x
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Wow 99+ All-Age points (I assume he had other placements) and no title, who was the dog? That would be 4-5 seconds per year for a career.
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according to the records Tiger had 7 Open pts and 2 Amateur pts...he was also a full brother to Creek Robber..we were fortunate to have a Tiger sired pup and she was a very nice dog that just got the short end of the stick when it came to training time,Clint got a placement in a Derby and one in a Qual in just a handful of trials, our biggest regret is that we spayed her at a young age, lost her two years ago to the big C....straightest lining dog in the house
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