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#43 ·
DarrinGreene said:
Hillman puppy followed by Lardy or Graham. Choose based on the style of materials you like best. They are essentially the same program (adaptations of Carr).
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I have the Hillman puppy and FF. Highly recommend. I will follow up with Hillman's land and water.

I do have the Smartworks books (but not the videos) and Hillman seems to fit better for me.
 
#44 ·
mitty said:
I have a bunch of Smartworks/Graham DVDs that I have never watched. I read and watched the puppy/Basics ones carefully. I got stymied early on, so I asked questions and was told to study the manual more carefully. I'm still miffed.
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How can it surprise you not to understand what you never watched? I can help, but not if you don't do your part. No one can do that. You inquired, but conducted only a superficial conversation. Want to know about a the many people who followed the program and succeeded? Will you do the reading if I lead the way to the information? I'm glad to help anytime. But at least meet me halfway on this.

Evan
 
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Evan said:
How can it surprise you not to understand what you never watched? I can help, but not if you don't do your part. No one can do that. You inquired, but conducted only a superficial conversation. Want to know about a the many people who followed the program and succeeded? Will you do the reading if I lead the way to the information? I'm glad to help anytime. But at least meet me halfway on this.

Evan
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What part of "I read and watched the puppy/Basics ones carefully" do you not understand? Being told to study harder is not helpful!

I am also wondering what conversation you are referencing. I looked for the thread and could not find it. It would be dated around March or April 2011, when I was going through collar conditioning with my now 3 year old dog.
 
#47 ·
Blue Tick said:
Cost is definitely not the deciding factor. Since you have owned both systems I'm looking into, what did you like/not like about smartworks versus trt? I have talked wit Evan via PM and have been waiting a week now on email answers to some questions about trt!
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If they were to YBS media, your probably not going to get an answer
 
#48 ·
We had a brief, minimal dialogue Renee, and no real discussion. You provided me with no detail about what you were having trouble with. How can I help you under those circumstances?

Evan
 
#49 ·
Blue, I think you are over analyzing this. Just pick one and move on. Lardy and Ybs media folks are working to get ready for upcoming major events. You are not going to get anymore information than you have which is P for plenty. I am not trying to be a smart alec.
 
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Wayne Nutt said:
Blue, I think you are over analyzing this. Just pick one and move on. Lardy and Ybs media folks are working to get ready for upcoming major events. You are not going to get anymore information than you have which is P for plenty. I am not trying to be a smart alec.
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No worries Wayne. I tend to over analyze lots of things, guess I learned that from the nature of my job. I do think I am going to go with TRT and the readings. Now I am on the search for a good used 2nd edition set.
 
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Lots of sissies out there.
 
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Has anyone read the books that come with either of these two programs? Looking at getting a new pup and was interested in following one of these. Anyone have any new input that has followed one of these programs recently since this discussion was last year?
 
#54 ·
I have used TRT in the past and it worked for me. That being said, I am now well into Hillman's program with my 9 month old lab and am very pleased with how things are going. I liked his "Training a Retriever Pup", " Traffic Cop", "Fetch" and am now into "Land fundamentals". One can use it all of the way or switch into TRT after the early DVD's.
 
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cubdriver said:
I have used TRT in the past and it worked for me. That being said, I am now well into Hillman's program with my 9 month old lab and am very pleased with how things are going. I liked his "Training a Retriever Pup", " Traffic Cop", "Fetch" and am now into "Land fundamentals". One can use it all of the way or switch into TRT after the early DVD's.
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Thank you! I was strongly considering following Hillmann's program too. I see a lot of people start with his puppy program and highly recommend it, then move onto something else. I always wondered the reason behind this. I found his training theories to be very interesting. Would you recommend Hillmann for a novice trainer? Can you tell a difference so far using Hillmans program as opposed to others?
 
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BTK,

Part of the reason handlers start with Hillmann and move into something else is because originally he only had the early tapes so they had to move elsewhere. Another reason is that a number of individuals have been ingrained into the earlier programs and start with Hillmann just to develop the 'sit' strongly and then fall back into what has been more familiar to them in the past. A novice can follow his program. I used to have problems with sitting on the line and don't think that I will after using his method; it is a primary emphasis in his program. It has seemed to take longer for me to get through FF with his program but I have stuck with it and believe that I will be pleased when done. My lab pup is only 9 months old so time will tell...
 
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You aren't going to find a single program that takes you from puppy training to advanced work.

I know it's hard to stomach but it's going to cost you a few hundred bucks.

i have "sound beginnings" Hillmann's "Training A Retriever Puppy" and Lardy's "TRT2".

I plan on getting Lardy's Marking DVD as well. I also joined an area HRC.

I think these together along with the advise from the pro in the HRC will give me a pretty good program from start to finish.


As I'm sitting here typing this I'm contemplating buying a FF DVD as well.
 
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Do you notice any problems transitioning from a Hillmann style of training to Lardy then? From what I understand, his use of the e-collar is a bit different. Do you have to recondition the dog from the Hillmann style to the more traditional use?
 
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