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#22 ·
Sorry I do get it. I know how hard it is to get an FC/AFC let alone a CH in labs. I run field trials and occassionally show my chessies which doesn't compare to the entries of labs in the show ring. And I have heard comments from lab show people about the field lab not promising. I hate to be that negative person and I hope you tell me someday "I told you so."
 
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Well Mike, the good news so far is , the structure is there as a puppy. THe second good news is if she has some talent ,I am capable of getting her a solid ,young dog start , before handing her off to a trial trainer. The show dog stuff I can do some of my self and some handing off, but that can happen at 4 + years old.
LOL the bad news is I am not rolling in disposable income... maybe I will be in three years when she might be ready, come on big money!!:p
and YES I hope to say I told you so too!! If not with her, a dog of my breeding. I am almost 53 , I figure I have about 30 years to get it done...Gotta have a dream for it to come true. This is my dream.
 
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Bridget Bodine said:
Well Mike, the good news so far is , the structure is there as a puppy. THe second good news is if she has some talent ,I am capable of getting her a solid ,young dog start , before handing her off to a trial trainer. The show dog stuff I can do some of my self and some handing off, but that can happen at 4 + years old.
LOL the bad news is I am not rolling in disposable income... maybe I will be in three years when she might be ready, come on big money!!:p
and YES I hope to say I told you so too!! If not with her, a dog of my breeding. I am almost 53 , I figure I have about 30 years to get it done...Gotta have a dream for it to come true. This is my dream.
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I wish more people shared this dream!!!!!
 
#26 ·
I wish some FC/AFC would just show up at a conformation show and show those people what's coming. Here's one and there will be others.
 
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Good luck! What a cute pup!

I don't know anyone that ever looked back and said "Boy, I really wish I didn't waste all that time training my dog... I could have been having way more fun doing other stuff!"
 
#29 ·
Get the FC-AFC then worry about the shows. Structure and looks hold up, no need to get a CH on a 1yr. who isn't finished growing. I actually think that there are dogs still out there that could do it; but the owners of FC-AFC dogs are more worried about NFC-NAFC dogs than putting time into dog shows. And those that go for show first, pretty much ruin any field potential, their young dogs might have. The shear research required to find the judges and campaign enough to get a CH just isn't worth it to most, especially when one could be running-winning FTs. Always good to have a goal, but better have some thick skin as well ;). Field and Show lab people venomously dislike each other and your talking about skirting both worlds, setting yourself up for attack from both sides. Still some seem to thrive on abuse, so I wish you luck ;).
 
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Hunt'EmUp said:
Get the FC-AFC then worry about the shows. Structure and looks hold up, no need to get a CH on a 1yr. who isn't finished growing. I actually think that there are dogs still out there that could do it; but the owners of FC-AFC dogs are more worried about NFC-NAFC dogs than putting time into dog shows. And those that go for show first, pretty much ruin any field potential, their young dogs might have. The shear research required to find the judges and campaign enough to get a CH just isn't worth it to most, especially when one could be running-winning FTs. Always good to have a goal, but better have some thick skin as well ;). Field and Show lab people venomously dislike each other and your talking about skirting both worlds, setting yourself up for attack from both sides. Still some seem to thrive on abuse, so I wish you luck ;).
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I have one foot in both worlds and am fully aware ...I do have friends in both worlds and people that think I am doing the show dog a disservice and there is no need to cross show field lines. I also have people who truly appreciate what my Grady son can do , but just would not want to own him because of his look. Does not bother me a bit, I just smile and say I understand.
I said above that she would do field first and show at 3,4 maybe five years old, maybe even 6 who know's. ( I do know that by 4 years old, I will know if she has the talent and trainability to be an FC or AFC though)
I am not a newbie to either the field or the show world. I have been in dogs professionally for 28 years, starting by working for top professional handlers in the show world and from there I spent time with several hunt test trainers, before starting my own train the trainer program. I have taught several people how to train their own dogs to the MH level and get their titles and have many SH and JH dogs out there too. MY go to trainer is Pat Burns, who has a pretty good record...;-)
So I am not blind going toward my goal and I do know a little....it may never happen , but it definitely won't unless I try.
 
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#33 ·
Well, I say good luck. Screw both sides and go for your dream. Others may say you're going for the impossible, but I say life is short and we're supposed to have fun while we're here.
 
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suepuff said:
I say life is short and we're supposed to have fun while we're here.
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My father had several favorite jokes one of which is applicable.

I was walking down the street and noticed a man on the sidewalk hitting himself in the head with a hammer. I approached him and asked hey man what are you doing? He said it should be obvious, I am hitting myself in the head with this hammer. I then asked him why and he replied because it feels so good when I stop.
 
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EdA said:
My father had several favorite jokes one of which is applicable.

I was walking down the street and noticed a man on the sidewalk hitting himself in the head with a hammer. I approached him and asked hey man what are you doing? He said it should be obvious, I am hitting myself in the head with this hammer. I then asked him why and he replied because it feels so good when I stop.
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:) :) :) :) :) .....
 
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EdA said:
My father had several favorite jokes one of which is applicable.

I was walking down the street and noticed a man on the sidewalk hitting himself in the head with a hammer. I approached him and asked hey man what are you doing? He said it should be obvious, I am hitting myself in the head with this hammer. I then asked him why and he replied because it feels so good when I stop.
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LOL Ed!! If you ever see me at a trial, walking away from the first series after picking up Flirt , tell me this joke again!
 
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#37 · (Edited)
NAVHDA dogs achieve this all the time. It can be done. Brittany people have an especially good track record.

Other upland dogs, not so much. Have you seen what an "English Pointer" looks like nowadays and the bite on some of them?

Years back, the thought of breeding a dog with major flaws, no matter how talented, was considered a crime.

Now because of trials, people do it with glee. Blame the trials.
 
#38 ·
EdA said:
My father had several favorite jokes one of which is applicable.

I was walking down the street and noticed a man on the sidewalk hitting himself in the head with a hammer. I approached him and asked hey man what are you doing? He said it should be obvious, I am hitting myself in the head with this hammer. I then asked him why and he replied because it feels so good when I stop.
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My dad's version of this was the guy was hitting his head against a brick wall... :)
 
#39 ·
MunsterBraccoLab said:
NAVHDA dogs achieve this all the time. It can be done. Brittany people have an especially good track record.

Other upland dogs, not so much. Have you seen what an "English Pointer" looks like nowadays and the bite on some of them?

Years back, the thought of breeding a dog with major flaws, no matter how talented, was considered a crime.

Now because of trials, people do it with glee. Blame the trials.
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DISAGREE re trials.

When I look at many field trial dogs today, they appear similar to the CH, DUAL and FC of the early 1900's as illustrated in books like those by Howe and Warwick. When I look at today's CH I see a dog that looks like it was crossed with a miniature Kodiak Bear!

Achieving a Dual Labrador cannot be compared to NAVHDA dogs, pointers or even Chessies(which can still do it!). Everybody should read Judy Rasmusons GRCA article on Dual Champions. http://www.chessieinfo.net/user/image/browndualchrasmuson.pdf

Here's an excerpt re Labs.

In Labradors there have been 37 Dual Champions
including two that have won National Retriever Championships
as well. The last Labrador Dual Champion
was in 1984. This was
Dual CH-AFC Hiwood Shadow.
I’m not aware of any Champion Labrador that has had
Open All-Age points since then, or, conversely, of any
FC Labrador that has had bench points. However there
have been 51 CH-MH Labradors.

This from the most popular dog in AKC!

TO BB:

Please distinguish between dreams and goals. Goals need to have specific measurable progress, a time-line, be realistic given resources and more -see SMART for goals. Knowing the demands for FC, I'd be inclined to start with that likelihood and select from the right look lines. In the past Hiwood was a starting point but as indicated above but the last was 30 years ago. And don't think many haven't tried --for example Kerrybrook. Have a look at Dual Warpath Macho. Was never bred much because trialers though pedigree weak (did have some FT blood though) and benchers thought blood would set their breeding program back!!!

Cheers
 
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MunsterBraccoLab said:
NAVHDA dogs achieve this all the time. It can be done. Brittany people have an especially good track record.

Other upland dogs, not so much. Have you seen what an "English Pointer" looks like nowadays and the bite on some of them?

Years back, the thought of breeding a dog with major flaws, no matter how talented, was considered a crime.

Now because of trials, people do it with glee. Blame the trials.
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Not so much apples to oranges; more of an apples to battleships comparison
 
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