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Does anyone know what the record is for the most open all age points in one year? With Bullet having 65 points this year in the open only it makes me wonder what the highest of all time is.

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Retriever Results has Creek Robber with 61 open points in 2004. Here is a list of the top 10 open from retriever results
 
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AKC, Retriever News, and Purina all calculate points differently. Theoretically you could have 3 different high point open dogs for the same year. If you look at Retriever News they put a little asterisk * by saying they added 5 points for the National Open win. Purina adds 10 points for a National Open win. AKC does not give any championship points for the National Open win but instead awards the FC title to the dog. A few years back I discussed this with Nelson Sills. He stated that AKC points are to award titles. Also the rule book for retriever trials verifies this. If you look at championship points awarded you will see that the National championship stakes are not included.
 
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junbe said:
AKC, Retriever News, and Purina all calculate points differently. Theoretically you could have 3 different high point open dogs for the same year. If you look at Retriever News they put a little asterisk * by saying they added 5 points for the National Open win. Purina adds 10 points for a National Open win. AKC does not give any championship points for the National Open win but instead awards the FC title to the dog. A few years back I discussed this with Nelson Sills. He stated that AKC points are to award titles. Also the rule book for retriever trials verifies this. If you look at championship points awarded you will see that the National championship stakes are not included.
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Retriever Results calculates points in this manner:

* Regular points (as shown in the Retriver Results scorecard): Standard AKC AA pts (5-3-1-.5) for placements in AA stakes INCLUDING 5 pts for winning a National or National Am. Derby points (5-3-2-1)
* Purina points (as shown in the Purina rankings): include an additional 5 pts to each FINALIST
* RR uses AKC rules to determine titles.
* If you check your dog's points on the AKC site, there is "double counting" for the times when an amateur handled a dog in the Open. This is because (as noted above), the AKC is focused on "points progression to a title" not points per se. THis is why AKC points and RR points may not agree. Both sources are correct, they are just focused on different goals.
 
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Doesn't Purina use the year from National Open - National Open where the others use the regular calendar year
 
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BonMallari said:
Doesn't Purina use the year from National Open - National Open where the others use the regular calendar year
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Yes as does RR for the Purina Open & Am rankings, calendar year for the Purina Derby ranking and others.
 
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Top Retrievers, Single Trial, Yearly & All-time

Cliches "rear their competitive heads" & inconsistent scoring standards are part of a talley & any discussion.

Will FC2XNAFC3XCNFC RIVER OAKS CORKY's All-Age point total of 505.5 ever be surpassed?
That is a question for the pundits & the ages. I will say here ... maybe, maybe not.

I for one was a contemporary owner & handler & judge during Corky's career - particularly the
impressive last 5 years of his marvelous run.

Would I try to compare his legacy to any other dog or any dog's legacy - NO!!

I salute John, Mike & Bill (Voigt)!!

W. D. Connor
 
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canuckkiller said:
Cliches "rear their competitive heads" & inconsistent scoring standards are part of a talley & any discussion.

Will FC2XNAFC3XCNFC RIVER OAKS CORKY's All-Age point total of 505.5 ever be surpassed?
That is a question for the pundits & the ages. I will say here ... maybe, maybe not.

I for one was a contemporary owner & handler & judge during Corky's career - particularly the
impressive last 5 years of his marvelous run.

Would I try to compare his legacy to any other dog or any dog's legacy - NO!!

I salute John, Mike & Bill (Voigt)!!

W. D. Connor
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That record along with Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak will not be surpassed, at least in my lifetime(and I plan on being around for quite a few more years)

the reason being a dog would have to have TEN years of averaging 50 AA points just to reach the plateau. Even if the dog were to start winning at age 3, that dog would have to maintain that level for a decade...How many dogs have ever eclipsed 100 points/year..nowadays a dog that has 100 AA points is normally thought to have had a very nice career...which makes Corky's record that much more impressive
 
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As great as Corky was, there is also no doubt in my mind that if he was born today he would not rack up 500pts. The depth of competition today, both in terms of dogs and harndlers, is significantly higher. In fact, no comparison.
 
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Mike W. said:
As great as Corky was, there is also no doubt in my mind that if he was born today he would not rack up 500pts. The depth of competition today, both in terms of dogs and harndlers, is significantly higher. In fact, no comparison.
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Maybe, maybe not... We will never know. He was the only dog to rack up 500+ points even back then... So it couldn't have been easy.

Creek Robber had over 400 pts and missed parts of a couple of years with injuries.

Look at the points Bullet put up in the Open, what if he was double staking?

Look at the points Ammo put up. Both won a National too.

Maybe a great dog like River Oaks Corky, trained with todays methods and having the opportunities todays dogs have... Who knows? The great ones are great for a reason.

If the right dog that can handle the grind gets with a handler owner who can.... 1. Afford it and... 2. Also handle the grind... They can put up a large number of points.
 
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Mike W. said:
As great as Corky was, there is also no doubt in my mind that if he was born today he would not rack up 500pts. The depth of competition today, both in terms of dogs and harndlers, is significantly higher. In fact, no comparison.
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How can you compare Ted Williams or Hank Aaron to Alex Rodriguez or Barry Bonds?
 
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