Does anyone know about this particular breeder/kennel? I have never seen a pedigree like this? There are some great dogs that have some connection to this at some level.
Information/Advice on Inbreeding
tracyyyfranklin
Does anyone know about this particular breeder/kennel? I have never seen a pedigree like this? There are some great dogs that have some connection to this at some level.
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Does anyone know about this particular breeder/kennel? I have never seen a pedigree like this? There are some great dogs that have some connection to this at some level.
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WAY TOO TIGHT. A brother to a sister??? Why? There are some nice dogs in there with Cattail Corky, Hershey, and Trieven Teak, but again WHY?
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It's a double edge sword, a sword that I would not like to play with. I think the cons heavily outweigh the pros. I'm not sure the risks would be that great if done once (even though I wouldnt), but from the looks of the created pedigree (I assume the breeder created it) it's not the first time they have inbred.
if it was a responsible breeder and both dogs had all health clearances...including both with excellent hips, then would it be ok? I don't know. I'm not a professional in genetics.
if it was a responsible breeder and both dogs had all health clearances...including both with excellent hips, then would it be ok? I don't know. I'm not a professional in genetics.
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Its fine as long as your willing to deal with the *possibility* that there may be some recessive traits that pop up. Dealing with it with a limited registration or a water bucket by the whelping box is your choice. Passing dogs off to the unknowing public is not acceptable.
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Narvel has judged for our club HT in the past and was quite knowledgeable. Call him and inquire what his goal was with the breeding.
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Considering that Narvel's Black Angus only has one offspring listed on OFA, that'd be enough of a red flag to me. http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=843345#animal
And then try to find the bitch..... nope, no data. WTH??? What was that definition of insanity again?
And then try to find the bitch..... nope, no data. WTH??? What was that definition of insanity again?
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Either it's an OOPPS or they are trying to bring out some hidden recessive gene. If I recall Kellogg which is a few generations back (grand-dam) was associated with pointing labs, but are also associated with the first litters of "sliver" labs. Not seeing health clearances on the Parents; and this is definitely Inbreeding not line-breeding, with all the options out there, and potential risks of breeding this close; One would have to ask why? Still good dogs have been gotten from OOPPS breedings, often for great discounts or free (although most people hide such litters under the rug and only sell on limited). It's not something I'd be into, but to each their own
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I spoke with the owner of the female whose litter I am referencing. This is what she got back to me with last night after talking to her:
"Narvel Blacks explanation for the moms line is - close line breeding intended to keep the pointing traits from the original Kellogg line as strong as possible. My husband called him tonight to double check."
"Narvel Blacks explanation for the moms line is - close line breeding intended to keep the pointing traits from the original Kellogg line as strong as possible. My husband called him tonight to double check."
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Crummy pedigree inbreeding or not. Would rather go to a lab rescue organization, or the pound.
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Let me guess, It is a silver breeding?
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