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Just got a new pup and I want to pick some brains as we are beginning basic obedience.

Do you prefer to use treats to train or not and why?

Also, I have always taught sit and stay with my dogs, but I am contemplating just teaching sit with this one... Which is your preference and why?

Thanks!

Alex
 
Just got a new pup and I want to pick some brains as we are beginning basic obedience.

Do you prefer to use treats to train or not and why?

Also, I have always taught sit and stay with my dogs, but I am contemplating just teaching sit with this one... Which is your preference and why?

Thanks!

Alex
I use treats. See Jackie Metens Sound Beginnings. Hillmann and Lardy also reference the use of treats for puppy obedience.

"but I am contemplating just teaching sit..."
Why did you teach sit & stay?
Why are you contemplating just teaching sit?

Edit: puppy obedience I use treats. Formal obedience, I do not use treats.
 
I started out with treats and clicker. I feel that it made training basics a lot easier. Also keeping to set feeding times i feel helps also. I taught SIT and STAY and the reason because i feel there is a distinguishable difference between the 2. If i give a sit command in the field i want him to start moving with me as i start walking again. As for stay it is just that. Weather he is sitting or standing i want him to stay in that place. Only my opinion
 
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I use treats. See Jackie Metens Sound Beginnings. Hillmann and Lardy also reference the use of treats for puppy obedience.

"but I am contemplating just teaching sit..."
Why did you teach sit & stay?
Why are you contemplating just teaching sit?
Thanks, Captain Jack. I just got Sound Beginnings and I love it... I've also got the lardy DVD's. She is 8 weeks today and she's got sit and here down with treats and I am starting to incorporate the whistle as well. She's very stubborn when there aren't treats involved though, that's why I decided to ask RTF their take on using or not using them. I am afraid the treats are causing her to always expect something in return, but I think she just isn't ready to hear the commands without the treats yet.
 
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I started out with treats and clicker. I feel that it made training basics a lot easier. Also keeping to set feeding times i feel helps also. I taught SIT and STAY and the reason because i feel there is a distinguishable difference between the 2. If i give a sit command in the field i want him to start moving with me as i start walking again. As for stay it is just that. Weather he is sitting or standing i want him to stay in that place. Only my opinion
That's a good point! I find that useful with my older dogs for the same reasons you mentioned.
 
I use whatever motivates my dogs to TEACH a concept. As young dogs are highly motivated by food it is a good tool.

I have always done a simple Sit and never bothered with the Stay. I do, however, use a release command so the dog knows when it's good to get out of the Sit position.
 
I use sit to park the dog on his butt
I use stay to hold the dog in places that sitting might not be practical.
I use heel to pull the dog off with me
I also use a release command.

Back to the question at hand: No problems with treats for puppy OB. Soon the treat can be swapped for praise.
 
ks_hunting has a good point with the food motivation. I have used it with my pup as well. So breakfast time and supper time is when training happens with treats, and he gets to eat after. I tell you what tho when they are conditioned to a clicker it doesn't matter if they are across the house, if they here that click they will be right at your feet. Gauge123 couldn't have put it more clearer on my thoughts.
 
Thanks, Captain Jack. I just got Sound Beginnings and I love it... I've also got the lardy DVD's. She is 8 weeks today and she's got sit and here down with treats and I am starting to incorporate the whistle as well. She's very stubborn when there aren't treats involved though, that's why I decided to ask RTF their take on using or not using them. I am afraid the treats are causing her to always expect something in return, but I think she just isn't ready to hear the commands without the treats yet.
Why are you in such a rush?? I wouldn't worry about a whistle command until later. Don't forget, you have a PUPPY, let the dog be a dog. Train but don't make it all work and no play. You won't like the results if it's all work. Keep it simple, short and end on success.
 
Why are you in such a rush?? I wouldn't worry about a whistle command until later. Don't forget, you have a PUPPY, let the dog be a dog. Train but don't make it all work and no play. You won't like the results if it's all work. Keep it simple, short and end on success.

i second this.
 
Why are you in such a rush?? I wouldn't worry about a whistle command until later. Don't forget, you have a PUPPY, let the dog be a dog. Train but don't make it all work and no play. You won't like the results if it's all work. Keep it simple, short and end on success.
Yes. But the whistle is not "background noise" that puppys sometimes learn from kids, spouses, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKUL1FQlts
 
Treats and the use of a place board....Dunkin Donut holes in the duck blind
 
Treats and the use of a place board....Dunkin Donut holes in the duck blind

Bon, I agree except for one thing... Krispy Kreme! You gotta give your buddy a reward or boost during a hunt.

I used to be scared to give treats thinking the dog would expect a edible reward instead of praise, but I do like to give treats at the end of a play/training session, not after everytime the pup completes a play sit or fun puppy retrieve. Still lots of praise, they love praise!
 
Thanks, Captain Jack. I just got Sound Beginnings and I love it... I've also got the lardy DVD's. She is 8 weeks today and she's got sit and here down with treats and I am starting to incorporate the whistle as well. She's very stubborn when there aren't treats involved though, that's why I decided to ask RTF their take on using or not using them. I am afraid the treats are causing her to always expect something in return, but I think she just isn't ready to hear the commands without the treats yet.
Don't be concerned with her not wanting to do things without treats. Keep using them for the next three or four weeks and you'll see her begin to do things for just your praise and petting her.
 
She's very stubborn when there aren't treats involved though, that's why I decided to ask RTF their take on using or not using them. I am afraid the treats are causing her to always expect something in return, but I think she just isn't ready to hear the commands without the treats yet.
We sometimes fall into the trap of using treats as bribes; it shouldn't be that way, use the treat only as a reward for good performance, not as an inducement. There is also a danger in using a treat as a lure; once you've done so it can always be seen as a lure and the dog follows your hand even when you don't want him to.

I have a neighbour with a Springer that's considerably brighter than he is. When they stop at the gate for a chat, "Ben" immediately starts barking and yipping making any conversation difficult, and won't shut up until he gets a treat. He's trained his owner a treat (groan). This all started out as a clumsy effort at treat training a 'sit' command with the treat as a lure.

When I get the behaviour wanted using treats, I start pushing the boundaries by delaying the reward on a variable schedule, starting with just a few seconds and gradually moving to a minute or more but mixing it up as we go along. That way Fido gets a reward not merely for doing the right thing, but continuing to do it. If I don't do that the dog thinks all he's got to do is bounce his bum off the ground, and "Where's my treat then, I did what you asked?"

Eug

PS. Always treat train a dog when it's hungry, not one with a full tummy.
 
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