7 month old puppy with 2 AKC JH passes runs marks with a banana line to the left. She usually nails the marks but runs with a big banana line. Any suggestions?
Runs Marks With a big banana left
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7 month old puppy with 2 AKC JH passes runs marks with a banana line to the left. She usually nails the marks but runs with a big banana line. Any suggestions?
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I forgot to say, she has been FF, CC and OB. She is a good dog with lots of drive but very easy to handle.
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Ruh Roh. Before somebody mean jumps in, I'm going to suggest you stop running tests until the puppy is trained. At this stage you don't want a bunch of corrections on marks. But every time she runs a crooked line at a test that rewards her with a bird, she is memorizing the behavior.
take her home and train until you always get the correct behavior. However long it takes. Trust me, I AM an expert on this.😝
take her home and train until you always get the correct behavior. However long it takes. Trust me, I AM an expert on this.😝
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Good comment. Listen to this.
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I had one the did that-also to the left. I let her go. Not sure what it was. If they know where the birds are, I'm happy. I want a young dog to just go get me the bird. Don't want them thinking much about how to get there. To prevent bad habits, make the birds easy to get to. Mine has straightened herself out a lot but will still give me an initial line to the left now and then.
So, I'd analyze the situation where she bananas to the left. Is she working herself downwind of the bird? Does she have a physical issue? Does she have an issue with her sight (I know of one dog that was pretty much blind in the left eye so would always position himself to come into the area of fall from the left)? See what kind of line you get when you start pile work. If it's physical, you'll probably see the same thing happen.
So, I'd analyze the situation where she bananas to the left. Is she working herself downwind of the bird? Does she have a physical issue? Does she have an issue with her sight (I know of one dog that was pretty much blind in the left eye so would always position himself to come into the area of fall from the left)? See what kind of line you get when you start pile work. If it's physical, you'll probably see the same thing happen.
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Like mentioned, I'd quit on tests until the issue is resolved. Shorten your marks and put a chair (tall obstacle that wont scare her) out where she is hooking. If she hooks outside of it, move closer until she's running inside of it and straightens herself out. This will be a BIG issue when you get to pilework if not corrected now. Best of luck!
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Where are you with lining drills? wagon wheels, 5 legged patterns, etc
Most need to taught to run straight.
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Got that hunt test bug I see…chasing those ribbons to boot ah?
Very good advice above that you should really take heed, but then again, that will be your decision.
Your first problem you posted will probably not be the last if you keep it up.
"You can't see the forest for the trees"
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I have said this before and got a lot mixed answers. Mostly form the Lardy crowd. I think it worth mentioning again.
Most dogs have a dominant leg. (Right or Left ) Right they will tend to flair left, Left they will flair right. When I see that this is an issue, I will put them on head wind marks for a while, this will help to bring them back on line. Before some one jumps in and says. " don't do this it will train the dog to use their nose" I want to say that, you will have to train on poison birds and switching no matter how you fix's the this issue. Dogs use their nose, that what they do.
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Most dogs have a dominant leg. (Right or Left ) Right they will tend to flair left, Left they will flair right. When I see that this is an issue, I will put them on head wind marks for a while, this will help to bring them back on line. Before some one jumps in and says. " don't do this it will train the dog to use their nose" I want to say that, you will have to train on poison birds and switching no matter how you fix's the this issue. Dogs use their nose, that what they do.
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I don't see a question really, just a comment. Running marks into the wind teaches dogs to hunt short. I never do it, especially with a young dog. I want them to use their eyes to run all the way to where they saw the bird fall, before using their nose to then find the bird. Yes, I'm from the Lardy school.
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If you didn't jump in. I would think you where a sleep.
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Actually, it takes them further out. Rather then shorter.
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I can see how it would take them further out (but not beyond the bird), but field trial marks are judged based on where the dog starts to hunt. Running into the wind gets them to start hunting short when the hit the scent cone, this is why the Lardyites say don't do it.If you didn't jump in. I would think you where a sleep.
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Actually, it takes them further out. Rather then shorter.
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Could cause the dog to hunt short and sniff his way to the mark?IMO Rather he ran directly to the mark. What you are saying maybe winding the bird. Can't see how that will help in this situation.
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Mine either. Maybe we have the same DVD ?
I am curious how this technique will get the dog running directly to the AOF before beginning to hunt.
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I guess that's the rub. The head going up is hunting in a trial. Similar to nose down, tail crack, and I'd guess there are other signs.
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So if the dog is in a cross wind, marks at 5ft, throws it head and nails it. It would be a miss mark.
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Yes, by 5 feet. But as the rule book says, that should not be appreciably out scored by a dog the pinpoints the mark.
If you run marks into the wind, the dog will throw it's head a long way from the bird.
It's just a difference in philosophy. I'm not out there winning field trials every weekend, just trying to follow the training philosophy of those that are. I'm sure your methods work for what ever it is that you do with your dogs. I only replied because your method, as you pointed out, is so contrary to Lardy's. New folks asking questions may not pick up on the differences if they aren't discussed. Now they've heard a couple different opinions and can decide what they want to do. That's a good thing.
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