I find the bigger whistles require me to bite down hard to keep them in my mouth and ready. So am ready to get some new whistles but what should I try? Hunt testing but not trialing probably. Yet.
What's your favorite whistle?
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This. The Fox 40 is a fantastic way to make you and everyone around you deaf.
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Dallasasse Hunt Tester. Just bought a back-up, and they are both easy for me. Great volume projecting forward.
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They are the same whistle. The HT model has a 3" bell on it and the FT model uses a 5" bell. I'm right across the street from the factory that produces them. Maybe I could go grab a spare for you over my lunch break.Shows how much I pay attention!I thought my blue Dallasasse was a cut down FT model,, It must be the HT version..
Do the FT and the HT use different whistles? I know the whistle in mine is marked Acme
Automatic one point reduction in score for any handler using Fox 40 when I'm judging
I have used and liked the Roy Gonia orange pea in whistles but they freeze up in the winter. I then switched to the pealess ones and they are comfortable in my mouth. I have also used the Fox 40 whistles and like them but they are hard on the judges and your ears. I use the answer whistles now and if I had used them for the last 49 years of retriever training I might hear better now.
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I like the Roy Gonia Commander and if I need something louder I like the Gonia Clear.
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Not very hard to replace but a little whittling and cussing is involved. But much cheaper than buying the entire whistle.
I'm a little slow so it took me awhile to figure out you have to blow these whistles with you diaphragm like you're playing an instrument. Once I figured that out, it wasn't as hard to blow, also if you blow with your mouth you won't get the proper sound out of the whistle. Thats my 2 cents from an OCD person.
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1) All whistles, regardless of make, are much more effective, if diaphragm blown, rather than blown like you're blowing out a candle. I'll likely post a new thread on this topic - as I think it is frequently over-looked and is a key piece of communication with our dogs that many could do much better.
2) For Field Trial training and competition, I prefer the Dallessassee (or the Burns Monster - same guts just different bell designs)
3) For upland, I prefer the orange gonia whistle with pea. It is tiny, lightweight, and has ample sound to communicate with the dog.
4) For hunt testing - I prefer the answer. I know there are several who prefer the answer for FT as well and I give those folks lots of credit. We have at least one Midwestern Pro who is amazing at his ability to run gargantuan long blinds and win trials using the pealess Answer whistle, rather than a Dallessasse (blue meanie) or Burns (green monster).
When I discussed an Open water blind with him that lost so many other dogs using the blue or green, while he got lots of dogs through using the Answer - his "answer" (excuse the pun) was that he primarily does this because his clients don't have the wind to operate the Blue or Green - so he just uses the best fit whistle for performance and transfer to clients with minimal loss of performance from pro to owner.
5) For waterfowl hunting, I prefer the guts to the Green or Blue. It is the Acme whistle that Keith Stroyan posted above. Acme 635 post #18. It is lightweight and small, and you can cup your hands to give a similar effect as the Blue or Green - only without the bulk or weight - and it is easier on the teeth to not have to support that extra moment arm sticking way out from the fulcrum.
6) I am currently training a new puppy and we're doing whistle sits and such. I have three lanyards hanging on the hook. One has an answer, one has a gonia orange with pea, one has a Dallessassee. I literally randomly grab a lanyard off the wall. Here's my logic. We teach a pup to sit on a verbal. We teach a pup to sit on a whistle. Why not expand the cues while they're babies and help them understand that the boss blows the same note and cadence on a range of whistles and the response is consistent regardless of whistle?
2) For Field Trial training and competition, I prefer the Dallessassee (or the Burns Monster - same guts just different bell designs)
3) For upland, I prefer the orange gonia whistle with pea. It is tiny, lightweight, and has ample sound to communicate with the dog.
4) For hunt testing - I prefer the answer. I know there are several who prefer the answer for FT as well and I give those folks lots of credit. We have at least one Midwestern Pro who is amazing at his ability to run gargantuan long blinds and win trials using the pealess Answer whistle, rather than a Dallessasse (blue meanie) or Burns (green monster).
When I discussed an Open water blind with him that lost so many other dogs using the blue or green, while he got lots of dogs through using the Answer - his "answer" (excuse the pun) was that he primarily does this because his clients don't have the wind to operate the Blue or Green - so he just uses the best fit whistle for performance and transfer to clients with minimal loss of performance from pro to owner.
5) For waterfowl hunting, I prefer the guts to the Green or Blue. It is the Acme whistle that Keith Stroyan posted above. Acme 635 post #18. It is lightweight and small, and you can cup your hands to give a similar effect as the Blue or Green - only without the bulk or weight - and it is easier on the teeth to not have to support that extra moment arm sticking way out from the fulcrum.
6) I am currently training a new puppy and we're doing whistle sits and such. I have three lanyards hanging on the hook. One has an answer, one has a gonia orange with pea, one has a Dallessassee. I literally randomly grab a lanyard off the wall. Here's my logic. We teach a pup to sit on a verbal. We teach a pup to sit on a whistle. Why not expand the cues while they're babies and help them understand that the boss blows the same note and cadence on a range of whistles and the response is consistent regardless of whistle?
I still prefer the clear Gonia with the black Megaphone. Although I have bought a couple that did not blow very well when new but the other new blew just fine. I have a FT Dallessassee but I do not like the tone as well and it is harder to get a short, sharp, sit whistle. I see many people blow a long sit whistle and some of the dogs will do a slow sit. I like a very hard, sharp and short sit whistle. I don't remember who said this, might have been Rex, but I like a sit whistle to "send a chill down the dogs spine". Generally the dog stops on a dime. I hate loopy sits, maybe it more the basic training that gets this result, but it works for me. I find the short sit whistle harder to do with the Dallessassee for me, also harder to vary the tone. For example a water blind and the dog is going off line but NOT heading to shore, or really doing anything wrong, I blow a soft, short sit whistle, whereas, the dog is trying to cheap, a harsher whistle will send a stronger message.
The clear whistle with the pea will still freeze up or stick, but I keep a couple of them, and have a Fox 40 mini as a back up and as a small hunting whistle, but would like to replace it. Which small whistle do people think is louder for windy hunting conditions, the Fox Sonic or the Acme 635?
No matter what whistle we use, I still use ear plugs at times, and am about to take the plunge to get electronic ear plugs to use for shooting, hunting, and dog training. Firing a Bumper boy at close range, i.e. test throw, is tough on the ears too.
Chris, great idea on using a variety as a pup, very simple, but effective.
The clear whistle with the pea will still freeze up or stick, but I keep a couple of them, and have a Fox 40 mini as a back up and as a small hunting whistle, but would like to replace it. Which small whistle do people think is louder for windy hunting conditions, the Fox Sonic or the Acme 635?
No matter what whistle we use, I still use ear plugs at times, and am about to take the plunge to get electronic ear plugs to use for shooting, hunting, and dog training. Firing a Bumper boy at close range, i.e. test throw, is tough on the ears too.
Chris, great idea on using a variety as a pup, very simple, but effective.
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I've not tried the 635 but have their T2000 which they claim "the worlds most powerful whistle," and I much prefer the Sonic Blast. Think it's every bit as loud when jumped on but more versatile.
Fwiw, though, I found the rubber mouth guard that comes on some Blasts less comfortable to use for long periods than the plain whistle without it.
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Laurie whistles are like duck calls you will probably own everyone out there before you find your fav.
I use and have used for 30 years the English medium Acme. It is loud enough for HT and light and easy on your teeth. It's a pea whistle and very small.
I never got into the mega stuff as my dogs heard and responded well.
My suggestion is buy one of every whistle recommended above, send your buddy out 100 yards, down wind, up wind and cross wind and see which is more effective for you from that exercise (radios are needed). Once you like the feel and are confident the dog will hear you, buy at least a dozen of that whistle and put them in every corner of your training world, IE in your truck, in your dog box, in your ATV, in your travel bag, etc. Never go to the line without the whistle you trained with.
I use and have used for 30 years the English medium Acme. It is loud enough for HT and light and easy on your teeth. It's a pea whistle and very small.
I never got into the mega stuff as my dogs heard and responded well.
My suggestion is buy one of every whistle recommended above, send your buddy out 100 yards, down wind, up wind and cross wind and see which is more effective for you from that exercise (radios are needed). Once you like the feel and are confident the dog will hear you, buy at least a dozen of that whistle and put them in every corner of your training world, IE in your truck, in your dog box, in your ATV, in your travel bag, etc. Never go to the line without the whistle you trained with.
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Based on our "unofficial" perhaps slightly drunken whistle research. The dallesse/green monster, both acme tornado, work best for long distances and in running water/strong winds. The Gonia pea less come in 2nd then the pea version (which freezes and sticks). Then the fox40 type, which direct the noise toward the gallery, doesn't carry very well and results in angry people who are anywhere close to yah. Also older dogs seem to hear the pitch of the Acme tornado tone better, after we have some older dog lose some hearing they could still hear the tornado, not the Gonia or fox40. I prefer the green monster to the dallesse seems slicker to me, lighter in the mouth. I don't like the hunt test model as it changes the tone, for hunting where I wear earplugs I have a cover less Acme tornado, which I glue into the monsters cover once I chew through the original insert. Women seem to like the acme tone, guys prefer the Gonia. I could never stand the Gonia as the higher pitch hurts my ears, training partners who are guys, finally adjusted to my refusal to use a Gonia; especially after there dogs could hear the green monster tone better over distance, and in the wind. All resulting in I WIN, and I don't have to wear earplug while dog training
Any whistle you buy you have to learn how to blow, I like the tornado as it's just a quick pulse of the tongue, that carries well. But you can also get a hard sharp "listen" with a bit more pressure; still quick and doesn't require that much air.
Any whistle you buy you have to learn how to blow, I like the tornado as it's just a quick pulse of the tongue, that carries well. But you can also get a hard sharp "listen" with a bit more pressure; still quick and doesn't require that much air.
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They take a lot of air and are rather low pitch for a dog whistle. I have one hanging by the kennel door and use it once in a while when the dogs don't come immediately. It's LOUD. (I put my fingers in my ears when I blow it.)
Maybe NateB will give us a review. I sent him one of mine to try.
It probably IS a good emergency whistle for people.
I haven't tried the small Storm (?Thunderstorm?).
I stick to a clear pealess Gonia in a megaphone for training. (Plain clear Gonia for hunting.)
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