New Entry Express Fee - Clubs to Pay additional Charges for Credit Card Fees

mitchbrown · Dec 24, 2015

We are already paying way to much for this service . yes it saves work and time for club s to produce their own catalogs and handle entry's but with this new charge as in the above example this service will cost $500 + a trial . some clubs just break even as it is and the cost of entry's is high enough now. If the entry fees keep going up soon we will start to lose people we cant afford to who help put on the trials.

JKOttman · Dec 24, 2015

captainjack said:
What is the AKC $3.50 per entry? Is that something paid by club direct to AKC?

So if club raised entry to $83 would net exact same amount as before, right?

The club has to pay one amount for the first entry of a given dog and a slightly lesser amount for the second entry for that dog. I think it's considered a filing fee. You pay it when you send in your book to the AKC.

Bob Walton · Dec 24, 2015

The AKC dropped the reduced fee a few years ago.It is now $3.50 for each entry.Run one stake , $3.50 , double stake the dog , $7.00

EdA · Dec 24, 2015

Bob Walton said:
The AKC dropped the reduced fee a few years ago.It is now $3.50 for each entry.Run one stake , $3.50 , double stake the dog , $7.00

This did not sound correct but I have not been a FTS for a few years. Then it was a $3.50 fee per dog entered. I looked up the FTS report form on the AKC website and you are correct, indeed it states "$3.50 per entry for ALL entries received". This would imply that the fee also applies to scratches so that a dog entered in 2 stakes and scratched would cost the club $7 to AKC and $4.50 to Entry Express which should make us all reconsider "full refunds" as required by the rules for injured dogs and bitches in season.

Jiggy · Dec 24, 2015

When I send my monies and report to the AKC, I only send a check for dogs entered minus scratches. I've never had AKC come back to me on this.

EdA · Dec 24, 2015

Jiggy said:
When I send my monies and report to the AKC, I only send a check for dogs entered minus scratches. I've never had AKC come back to me on this.

That is what I did when I was FTS, the current FTS report seems to be in conflict with that. The take away message is keep doing it that way until someone tells us otherwise.

Jiggy · Dec 24, 2015

Exactly. And if they do tell me otherwise, then our scratch policy will change at that time. Better to ask forgiveness than permission in this case I figure.
Merry Christmas Ed!

FOM · Dec 24, 2015

I did a comparison of EE vs. Hunt Secretary for cost based on our financial report on our Hunting Test last year. I did not include the AKC Fees as that wouldn't of changed the bottom line and is not applicable in my mind to the comparison. The total fees were $426.94 vs $164.00.

I did the same thing for our FT, the fees would of been $948.00 (plus shipping, which I'd estimate to be $45.00) vs $370.00 - note I couldn't find my actual financial report for our FT, so just an educated guess on shipping based on what it was for the HT.

PPRC will be voting on which entry service to utilize at our next membership meeting. Since I'm the HTS/FTS and I do the grunt work, I know which way I'm leaning.

FOM

ErinsEdge · Dec 24, 2015

Businesses can run their business any way they want, but the customer will often go to the accommodating business that communicates price increases and is transparent. It was bound to happen that someone is prepared to offer a viable alternative.

FOM · Dec 24, 2015

So there was a question on my "math" so just to clarify:

42	Master	$80.00	$3.00	$126.00	$2.00	$84.00
21	Senior	$75.00	$2.81	$59.06	$2.00	$42.00
19	Junior	$70.00	$2.63	$49.88	$2.00	$38.00

62	Catalogs		$2.50	$155.00		$0.00
	Shipping			$37.00		$0.00
	Total Fees			$426.94		$164.00

These are the numbers from our last HT. I haven't used Hunt Secretary before and I'm looking at this strictly from the bottom line of the club, not as a handler. If there are other fees from HS, I'm unaware of them - please someone correct me if I'm missing something. Additionally HS also offers club advertisement pages as part of their service (4 black and white).

From a handler's perspective:

Entry Fee		$4.50		$4.00
Scratch Fee:		$25.00		$4.00
Waiting List Fee:	$10.00		$0.00
Mail in Fee:		$4.50		$4.00

FOM

classact2731 · Dec 24, 2015

JKOttman said:
Am trying to figure out what this would mean for our club, so created a hypothetical example. Feel free to check assumptions. (Does the processing fee cover the catalogs or is that separate?)

Example: 100 entries @ $80 each = $8000 revenue

Total expense
75 catalogs @ $2.50 each = $187.50

processing fee @ 3.75% = $300
catalog shipping = $50?
AKC fees (@$3.50 Ea?) = $350

Expense per entry
catalogs and shipping: $2.37
processing: $3.00
AKC: $3.50

Total: $8.87 per entry, about 11% of the gross revenue

OK I guess it is just me but...... If you run 20 trials a year the expense for the EE service per dog is 167.74 by the math above. If you run 20 trials with travel and lodging and can not pay the extra 161.74 then I say run 19. For 8 years of 20 trials per year it is 1293.92 cheapest part of the dog.
When I go to trials I see hired bird boys because the clubs can not get enough members to work. I see the same few and I mean few people working. To put more work on these few will only burn them out sooner. At some point we all need to work more or pay more but it should not be the few active club members working more so you can run your dog cheaper.
As always this is my opinion and with it's "worth" if you add 5 bucks to it you can get a fancy coffee.

New Entry Express Fee - Clubs to Pay additional Charges for Credit Card Fees

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