I have been looking for a good stud for my BLF out of FC/AFC Fenn Wizard, I have been told grady lines match up well but I am looking for others that might match up as good or possibly better. I am new at this whole breeding game and besides the basic clearances and stuff, how does one pick a stud people want and also one that will match up well to my female, I am doing this so that I can keep a pup out of her.
How do you find the right stud?
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I have been looking for a good stud for my BLF out of FC/AFC Fenn Wizard, I have been told grady lines match up well but I am looking for others that might match up as good or possibly better. I am new at this whole breeding game and besides the basic clearances and stuff, how does one pick a stud people want and also one that will match up well to my female, I am doing this so that I can keep a pup out of her.
You could talk to some people at your local AKC or HRC retriever club to see if anyone has bred dogs with similar lines.
You could also talk to the breeder you got your dog from or the owner of FC AFC Fen Wizard. http://www.fenwizzard.com/
Another place to look is some kennels that offer whelping services also offer assistance in helping you choose a stud. I'm sure a kennel with good trainers would have some advice. I haven't used them personally, but kennels with services such as Hidden Acres Retrievers http://www.hiddenacresretrievers.com/ may be of help.
Also, you might want to think about what you expect or want your puppies to do. Do you have friends who are willing (and ready to put down a deposit) on a puppy from your litter?
DC Tell us more about your female, what has she accomplished? In my opinion, a dog needs to prove itself worthy of being bred, other than just a good dog for its owner. There are so many really good litters being bred that we all need to critically access our dogs as to whether it is breeding material. Lots of people are kennel blind, and are not objective about their own dogs. We all have to see past our egos, and look for what is to be gained by this breeding.
Also, you did not mention the bitch lines, the mother brings just as much to the table as the sire.
Please do not take this as condescending, but just some things that all people considering breeding need to think about.
Good luck.
Also, you did not mention the bitch lines, the mother brings just as much to the table as the sire.
Please do not take this as condescending, but just some things that all people considering breeding need to think about.
Good luck.
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She's ran 3 derbies and will run hunt tests and quals this year, but she has been my gun dog and has picked up over 250 geese each of the last few years. I haven't had a desire to run many tests, but my mentor always said it costs the same to feed a good dog as it does a bad one. So I'm finding the best stud I can. Thanks for the replies.
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Here is the pedigree.
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I am not big on folks asking for this kind of advice. It is your dog and you need to put the effort into finding the best match for your bitch. You know what you are looking for and desire in the pups. I breed my bitches with the thought I am improving the breed and for no other reason. That said I try to double down on my strengths...for me bidability and intelligence......I do not try to overcome a weakness by breeding to a dog that has what mine doesnt. Color is not important to me nor is size. I am trying to breed the best dog I can.
Now to breeding puppies that people will buy. I go back to what I said before. The common answer is the high point dog, national champion, etc. People that know pedigrees and study dogs don't go that way. They build on strengths and pedigrees.....you have a very nice one. Lastly, using the high point, national champion does not generally a good match make and it is very expensive.
Good luck.
Ronan Bill
Now to breeding puppies that people will buy. I go back to what I said before. The common answer is the high point dog, national champion, etc. People that know pedigrees and study dogs don't go that way. They build on strengths and pedigrees.....you have a very nice one. Lastly, using the high point, national champion does not generally a good match make and it is very expensive.
Good luck.
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Motivation often in these TYPE of posts is based in marketing. Asking questions while actually hoping to advertise an upcoming breeding. Maybe it works. Harry
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Fortunately I do know her strengths and weaknesses what I was looking for was good crosses that will help give her more height better marking, a little more go, and of course because I only need 1 to keep, something that would be tempting to a future buyer. She has never been breed her litter mate was. Thank you all for the help, it's appreciated.
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Nate no problems, I appreciate your help.
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You'll have a tough time getting the BEST stud as many of them will not breed to an untitled bitch.
Case in point, my MH is not viewed in the same way a FC or AFC might be by some stud owners. If they will sell you semen it will be at a higher $.
To Bills point, a good stud with vet services, shipping, breeding, travel, whelping and marketing will cost dearly.
Just getting ready to breed, and the hard numbers are $4400, does not include whelping or marketing costs or additional vet expenses:
Lets say you get 6 pups from this breeding..... 4400 '/, by 6 = $733 per pup, add $300 for whelping expenses another $100 per for CNM and EIC testing and about the same for marketing and show and tell.
You are now up to $1200 and haven't made a dime, hope you can sell them all and don't have any real health issues.
Best advise someone above raised, go buy a pup from a good breeding and forget about the " I just want a pup from my dog" theory. The bitch is only half of the scenario. When buying 7-8 week old pups you can see much more than one sees on paper, better than that buy a good started dog for $4-5,000 you'll be money ahead
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Probably no worries about height, think her dam from pedigree pic and for sure gdam Connie were plenty tall enough. Your dog is already a cross of sorts, sire west coast dam East coast. May as well line up on one side or the other. At quick glance maybe look into breeding back to her grandsire Pow.
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Thank you all for the help. One other question why breed back into her line? I know line breeding can enhance the good qualities but doesn't it also enhance the bad as well? My mentor who has trained dogs to some degree since the 60's and he stated the most people back then always went with dogs that had no line breeding, he stated that people back then wanted to expand the gene pool. Why do we now a days almost exclusively line breed to some degree or another?
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Just going purely off of what you say & the pedigree, I like Cash.
http://www.huntinglabpedigree.com/pedigree.asp?id=2159
http://www.huntinglabpedigree.com/pedigree.asp?id=2159
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