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#21 ·
MunsterBraccoLab said:
Ivermectin kills or prevents both hookworms and pinworms. In fact, that is what humans are given for those worms, Stromectol. Most vets use the liquid Ivermectin they keep for mange cases. It is too expensive unless you have a full kennel because so little is used the bottle would expire.

It is off-label use in dogs for those worms. It wont work on tapes I don't think.

I use http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-paste-187-608-g

One turn of the dial, once a month.
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That product, and most paste products, are meant to be given as one complete dose at a time to a horse. The paste is not guaranteed to be homogenious and therefore giving one turn may yield less product for protection. I know people that use it but you are taking a chance. I use 1% injectible Ivermectin orally at a dosage of 1cc per 110# once a month. Pretty cheap since 50CC usually runs @ $25.That is for deworming and heartworm, but not for tapes.
 
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ErinsEdge said:
That product, and most paste products, are meant to be given as one complete dose at a time to a horse. The paste is not guaranteed to be homogenious and therefore giving one turn may yield less product for protection. I know people that use it but you are taking a chance. I use 1% injectible Ivermectin orally at a dosage of 1cc per 110# once a month. Pretty cheap since 50CC usually runs @ $25.That is for deworming and heartworm, but not for tapes.
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I asked the company about consistency and it is 100% consistent. It is also not intended to be used as one dose because it is metered by weight depending on the size of the animal. So since it is metered that is proof the product is consistent.

The instructions do not say "intended to be used as a single dose"

I heard that as well and spoke to both Durvet and Zimecterin to confirm.

The liquid is great if you can use it all, or share it with someone.
 
#24 ·
Thoughts on moxidectin injectable? I've used it for several years now with my 10 year old but with my pup just now 7 months I've been giving the oral pill because it's not approved for dogs under 6 months old. I was planning on switching to moxidectin after I runout.
 
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I asked the company about consistency and it is 100% consistent.
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Well then they must have improved their mixing because I find numerous references against using horse paste products on dogs. Also, the horse concentration usually is not the correct concentration for dogs, and I would never take a chance to save literally cents, in fact one reference says it is actually more costly to use. I would not recommend it because medications should have accurate concentrations per weight to be given. Some short cuts are just not worth it.
 
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#26 ·
I saw the instructions on Heartguard about crumbling up the dose. I called and asked about it and they said it was to prevent choking. Nothing to do with it's effectiveness.
 
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ErinsEdge said:
That product, and most paste products, are meant to be given as one complete dose at a time to a horse. The paste is not guaranteed to be homogenious and therefore giving one turn may yield less product for protection. I know people that use it but you are taking a chance. I use 1% injectible Ivermectin orally at a dosage of 1cc per 110# once a month. Pretty cheap since 50CC usually runs @ $25.That is for deworming and heartworm, but not for tapes.[

I also use the liquid form orally but give a little bit more twice a month!!
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Pro Heart 6 injection every six months and be done with it. They can't puke it up, choke on it, eat part of it then spit the rest out in the yard or shake it off and, at least so far, it hasn't had the questionable efficacy seen with Ivermectin in places like the Mississippi delta.
 
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ErinsEdge said:
Well then they must have improved their mixing because I find numerous references against using horse paste products on dogs. Also, the horse concentration usually is not the correct concentration for dogs, and I would never take a chance to save literally cents, in fact one reference says it is actually more costly to use. I would not recommend it because medications should have accurate concentrations per weight to be given. Some short cuts are just not worth it.
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You are giving 1CC per 110lbs of body weight? So using an 80lb dog as an example, you are dosing 7300 micrograms. One "click" of the horse paste is 4,500 micrograms.

You are dosing 30 times the "minimum" and I am dosing 18 times. Both are safe doses but keep in mind you are dosing nearly twice what I am. A somewhat toxic dose for an 80lb dog is about 72,000 micrograms, or 10 times what you dose and 20 times what I dose.
 
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You are dosing 30 times the "minimum" and I am dosing 18 times. Both are safe doses but keep in mind you are dosing nearly twice what I am. A somewhat toxic dose for an 80lb dog is about 72,000 micrograms, or 10 times what you dose and 20 times what I dose.
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The critical measure is believing if the paste was was well mixed on every lot, measuring a "click", and knowing your dog was safely protected. My dose is a deworming dose also besides a heartworm dose. Most people use the liquid dose and a syringe. I use a TB syringe but then my background demanded accuracy and my protocol was written out by a vet.
 
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