Does anyone know what the title HRCH requires?
HRCH?
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You need 100 HRC points for the title. I only ran Finished & had 75 points w/ each Finished pass being worth 15. I think for the title 10 points (at 5 points each) can come from Started & 20 (at 10 points each) can come from Seasoned.
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Points are awarded for passing (meeting minimum standard) for a day's test. What is involved in a "day's test" depends on the level you are running. Here it is...short version.LH said:
Started (5 points per pass/10 pts max) 2 land single marked retrieves, 2 water single marked retrieves.
Seasoned (10 points per pass/40 pts max) a land double marked retrieve, a short simple land blind retrieve, a water double marked retrieve and a short water blind retrieve.
Finished (15 points per pass/ unlimited total) a land triple, water triple, and more difficult land and water retrieves.
Lots of exceptions...just generalities.
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meleagris said:
Thanks!
More questions: are all 3 birds shot/thrown at the same time on land and in water in the Finished level? How long are the distances? Are there other type of work to be done than marks? Blinds? Searches?
How does this title compare to the hunt test titles and the NAHRA titles in difficulty level? Why choose to do tests with UKC?
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As you may know we have two major registries in the US - the AKC & UKC. The AKC offers hunt test titles Junior Hunter (JH, SH or MH on the pedigree following the dog's name), Senior Hunter (SH) & Master Hunter (MH). Those titles are earned based directly upon a specificed number of passes (using pass/fail criteria). The UKC through its Hunting Retriever Club offers hunt test titles which precede the name on the UKC pedigree - Started Hunting Retriever (SHR), Hunting Retriever (HR) & Hunting Retriever CHampion (HRCH) based upon a cumlative points earned criteria for each pass (as noted in a previous post): 20 pts SHR, 40 pts HR, 100 pts HRCH. As you might imagine JH & SHR are the starting level, HR & SH are intermediate level & HRCH & MH are the top level. There is debate among enthusiasts as to which registry's hunt tests & their respective titles are more difficult to obtain.LH said:
The UKC/HRC also provides incentive for the dogs to continue to accumulate pts ove a lifetime & also achieve another title GRand HRCH (GRHRCH) with two grand passes & a total of 300 pts. The AKC has an affliation with the Master National Club for additional recognition of it's top hunt test dogs but no additional title & no further AKC recognition.
There are more details but this is probably more than you wanted to know. Go to the AKC or UKC sites for all the details.
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Try www.huntingretrieverclub.org or www.ukcdogs.com for more info.
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according to the hrc-ukc website, 40 points(not 60) is needed for an HR title(10 can come from started). Has it changed?
according to the hrc-ukc website, 40 points(not 60) is needed for an HR title(10 can come from started). Has it changed?
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No I think you are right. The confusing thing is it takes 4 passes (5 pts/pass) to earn the SHR title but the dog can only carry 10 pts toward the HRCH title. For all the "correct" info go to the HRC website where it's firsthand info... :idea:threeoak said:
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LH said:
I can't compare to NAHRA, but I can to AKC Master tests.
Master and Finished are fairly close, so it is easier to list the differences:
a) In Finished, there is only 2 series (a land and a water). AKC Master has 3 series (land, water, and combo).
b) There is no double-blind requirement (2 blinds in the same series) in Finished. Master will have a double blind sometime during the day.
c) In Finished, you are allowed to speak softly to your dog at any time (including encouragment to help steady the dog); in Master you may not speak to the dog from the time you signal you are ready until the judge calls your dog's number.
d) In Finished, a control break is not an automatic failure (but it is a big markdown). In Master, it is an automatic DQ.
That's pretty much it.
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MHR, HRCH, MH
I've O/T/H 10 NAHRA MHRs, 5 HRCH/UH's, but only one MH.
My "take" on it is a little different than CNBarnes'. I would say AKC tests tend to be more technically difficult than the Finished tests I've run, but have less "excitement" at the line and maybe a little less "realism". I would say they are more variable, too.
NAHRA marks and blinds fall inbetween the two, in my experience, but NAHRA has mandatory trailing and upland, so the three aren't on a linear scale. An HRCH/UH is comparable to an MHR, but separating the upland work makes it different and, while allowed, I never saw a trail in an HRC test.
The most important things are training to prepare for any of them and having fun running.
I've O/T/H 10 NAHRA MHRs, 5 HRCH/UH's, but only one MH.
My "take" on it is a little different than CNBarnes'. I would say AKC tests tend to be more technically difficult than the Finished tests I've run, but have less "excitement" at the line and maybe a little less "realism". I would say they are more variable, too.
NAHRA marks and blinds fall inbetween the two, in my experience, but NAHRA has mandatory trailing and upland, so the three aren't on a linear scale. An HRCH/UH is comparable to an MHR, but separating the upland work makes it different and, while allowed, I never saw a trail in an HRC test.
The most important things are training to prepare for any of them and having fun running.
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Trailing= where, usually, a dead bird is drug, making a trail, with a dead bird left at the end of the trail. There is always at least 1 direction change in a trail. The dog must follow the trail, as closely as possible and come back with the bird.LH said:
Upland= this is simply a hunting test. the dog and handler are released to hunt a field, usually aimed towards a trap with a bird in it. as they approach the trap, the bird is released and either a dry shot is fired, or the bird is shot. either way the dog MUST be steady to flush and shot. when the bird is down, the dog may be released to retrieve the bird and must deliver to hand.
In the nahra tests, this is all combined with the usual land test and water tests. in hrc/ukc, it is a whole separate entity. as far as I know, they both are run with the same rules, basically.
Controlled break= when a dog leaves the line, before being released, and manifests the intent to retrieve. if the dog is brought under control IMMEDIATELY, this is a controlled break. this is usually a minor infraction in nahra, but repeated offenses can lead to DQ.
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