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Hey, Aussie, Kristie and Angie, you are all right. Stress is very involved and I take full blame. I am struggling to learn to teach this stuff, reading tons, but have no one local to watch and learn from in real life set ups. When my dog is confused, you immediately get all the stress signals, yawning, bad holding, (chattering teeth & cigaring) and finally, "no I'm not going". When that happens, I do let up on him as I have failed to make clear what I want. So Kristie, should I keep up the pressure when I read confusion? Should I stop this altogether until I get to your retreat and learn wth I am doing? :roll: :roll: So far we have survived and made progress slowly by starting over many times. Hopefully, this will be the same. I wish I lived near people like you all! (but, then, I'm sure yall are much better off the way things are :lol:
 
When I saw the title, I thought you were discussing my training style - "off & lazy". :wink:

To keep the dogs motivated, I use ducks whenever possible & try to shoot flyers a couple of times a week. If the dogs get drills, they are going to get some marks too. If the dogs get a heavy dose of blinds, they are going to get some marks too. Hard to train a dog rountinely with a good attitude on bumpers (or any artificials), drills & handling.
 
hey 2tall - just send me the dog....I'll promise he'll live the good life as a pet ;)

Just trying to help....not.... :D

FOM
 
FOM said:
hey 2tall - just send me the dog....I'll promise he'll live the good life as a pet ;)

Just trying to help....not.... :D

FOM
HA HA, and I wish YOU the good life in trying to live with Indy as a pet. He does have a way of running his own game. But I hope we have not hijacked Devlins thread. Sounds like his dog actually does behave and just has more relaxed days than others. Also, from previous posts and pics, his Sadie is out there doing the job.

With so much tragic news out there, this brought a smile to my face. Thanks.
 
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2tall said:
FOM said:
hey 2tall - just send me the dog....I'll promise he'll live the good life as a pet ;)

Just trying to help....not.... :D

FOM
HA HA, and I wish YOU the good life in trying to live with Indy as a pet. He does have a way of running his own game. But I hope we have not hijacked Devlins thread. Sounds like his dog actually does behave and just has more relaxed days than others. Also, from previous posts and pics, his Sadie is out there doing the job.

With so much tragic news out there, this brought a smile to my face. Thanks.
Thanks 2tall...we took a day off today, just a long lazy walk for some exercise. Sadie slept much of the day, and she's full of "P&V" tonight. We'll go at it again tomorrow and see how she does.
 
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After our day off, Sadie was her old self...lots of drive and enthusiasm, great focus, immediate responses. We also just spent a long weekend up in the mountains, and our long daily walks were punctuated with some bumper drills along the way, and she was great.

I have no idea what could have caused that "slow" day, but it was apparently a fluke thing. It could have been her, and I suppose it could have been me...naaaaah...not ME...I'm always "on!" :wink:

Thanks to all y'all for the support and the suggestions...it's great to be a part of this forum!
 
2tall said:
Hey, Aussie, Kristie and Angie, you are all right. Stress is very involved and I take full blame. I am struggling to learn to teach this stuff, reading tons, but have no one local to watch and learn from in real life set ups. When my dog is confused, you immediately get all the stress signals, yawning, bad holding, (chattering teeth & cigaring) and finally, "no I'm not going". When that happens, I do let up on him as I have failed to make clear what I want. So Kristie, should I keep up the pressure when I read confusion? Should I stop this altogether until I get to your retreat and learn wth I am doing? :roll: :roll: So far we have survived and made progress slowly by starting over many times. Hopefully, this will be the same. I wish I lived near people like you all! (but, then, I'm sure yall are much better off the way things are :lol:
Confusion = help (no pressure in almost every case)

Make sure you're taking things in little steps and then balancing any yard work with marks that are fun and easy...

Depending on what drill you're doing, there are things you can do like designating piles, throwing happy bumpers within the training session (AS LONG AS you aren't doing it to make up for a lack of EFFORT -- happy bumpers are actually GREAT for cases where dogs are confused or where YOU made an error).

-K
 
How do I offer help? I will say that things are going a bit better these days, not so much chattering and chewing. Still, this AM, I got a super response on a simple back, but when I tried to stop him (whistle) he did not turn around to face me therefore did not get the over stuff. I am still very unsure how to teach the baby steps. I thought I had the ultimate "back" training set up with our long board walks over the marsh. Guaranteed straight lines. I sent the dog, he pounced on the dummy, it slid over the edge of boardwalk, and he sailed over after it :lol: He got away with it this time, but the possibility of injury is not worth it. I do think he is trying much harder, but at the same time I am just keeping up with him. Does that make sense? :roll: I am so sure I am going to "get it right" that I dont mind a bit of abuse on the RTF. :D
 
2tall said:
How do I offer help? I will say that things are going a bit better these days, not so much chattering and chewing. Still, this AM, I got a super response on a simple back, but when I tried to stop him (whistle) he did not turn around to face me therefore did not get the over stuff. I am still very unsure how to teach the baby steps. I thought I had the ultimate "back" training set up with our long board walks over the marsh. Guaranteed straight lines. I sent the dog, he pounced on the dummy, it slid over the edge of boardwalk, and he sailed over after it :lol: He got away with it this time, but the possibility of injury is not worth it. I do think he is trying much harder, but at the same time I am just keeping up with him. Does that make sense? :roll: I am so sure I am going to "get it right" that I dont mind a bit of abuse on the RTF. :D
Which specific drill are you doing right now? And what the heck are you doing on a boardwalk???? LOL :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:
 
Thats just it, I dont have a specific drill. I am trying to make sense of the lining, back stuff, and some of theprograms show a mowed path. I thought , cool, I can use the board walk. We live in a community that has a nature trail that crosses the marsh, an elevated "boardwalk" that connects marsh to water. When Indy leaped, he jumped about 3 ' down, went ass over teakettel, and brought me the dummy. Sorry Kristie, you are in for hell with us two :D
 
2tall said:
Thats just it, I dont have a specific drill. I am trying to make sense of the lining, back stuff, and some of theprograms show a mowed path. I thought , cool, I can use the board walk. We live in a community that has a nature trail that crosses the marsh, an elevated "boardwalk" that connects marsh to water. When Indy leaped, he jumped about 3 ' down, went ass over teakettel, and brought me the dummy. Sorry Kristie, you are in for hell with us two :D
ok, this explains a lot. :)

go to http://www.totalretriever.com/flowchart.htm and look at the flow of training. Decide where you are SUPPOSED to be and pick up from there. LOL

This is almost positively why you're having so much confusion.

Also, get off the boardwalk and go to the soccer fields. :)
 
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