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I have a yellow female that I bred to FC AFC Two Toes out the door last year. All the reports from the puppy owners say that the pups are extremely soft. Maggie is a little soft, but extremely intelligent. So long as I make sure that she fully understands what I want her to do, she is fine and doesn't require any correction. She is a magnificent dog. I have run several tests where they set up something that I haven't ever trained on. She always seems to figure it out in a hurry though. She has the intelligence I like, although maybe too intelligent sometimes. She has excellent drive. Her line manners SUCK! She is usually so excited to get to the line that she forgets to listen to me, or even wait for me. She has run to the line and sat down and waited for me before. What I would like to know is, What stud would be best to breed her with to produce pups that can take pressure? I did not do the early neurological stimulation with these pups, how much difference does that make. I did do the ENS with the last litter that I had, but they are not quite 4 months old yet. I will continue to do this with all the litters I have in the future. Thanks for any input.

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Tom Murphy
 
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labman52738 said:
I have a yellow female that I bred to FC AFC Two Toes out the door last year. All the reports from the puppy owners say that the pups are extremely soft. Maggie is a little soft, but extremely intelligent. So long as I make sure that she fully understands what I want her to do, she is fine and doesn't require any correction. She is a magnificent dog. I have run several tests where they set up something that I haven't ever trained on. She always seems to figure it out in a hurry though. She has the intelligence I like, although maybe too intelligent sometimes. She has excellent drive. Her line manners SUCK! She is usually so excited to get to the line that she forgets to listen to me, or even wait for me. She has run to the line and sat down and waited for me before. What I would like to know is, What stud would be best to breed her with to produce pups that can take pressure? I did not do the early neurological stimulation with these pups, how much difference does that make. I did do the ENS with the last litter that I had, but they are not quite 4 months old yet. I will continue to do this with all the litters I have in the future. Thanks for any input.

Thanks,
Tom Murphy
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Maybe its the female Duece was bred to. I have a duece pup out of a female out of Cosmo and he is ready to go not real soft.
 
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labman52738 said:
I did not do the early neurological stimulation with these pups, how much difference does that make. I did do the ENS with the last litter that I had, but they are not quite 4 months old yet. I will continue to do this with all the litters I have in the future.
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OK, I have to ask, what is early neurological stimulation?
 
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Jason E. said:
labman52738 said:
Maybe its the female Duece was bred to. I have a duece pup out of a female out of Cosmo and he is ready to go not real soft.
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That is what I was getting at. I want to know which male will help to counter that.
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Here are a few

FC AFC Penmarks Mountain King (BLK-BY)
http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/Asp/viewpedigreecolor.asp?DogNo=44277
(He just passed away but may have some frozen semen) Owner Penny Youngblood

FC AFC Trumarc's Stormin Norman II (BLK-BY)
http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/asp/viewpedigreecolor.asp?DogNo=78327
Owner: Mark Rosenblum (214) 385-0062 or Danny Farmer (936) 870-7474

FC My Name is Bocephus (BLK-BY)
http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/Asp/viewpedigreecolor.asp?DogNo=77587
Owner: Jane & Stephen Paul (314) 406-4421

FC AFC Fordlands Bored Out Ford (BLK-BY)
http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/Asp/viewpedigreecolor.asp?DogNo=21824
Ford's website: http://www.fordland.info/
 
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labman52738 said:
I have a yellow female that I bred to FC AFC Two Toes out the door last year. All the reports from the puppy owners say that the pups are extremely soft. Maggie is a little soft, but extremely intelligent. So long as I make sure that she fully understands what I want her to do, she is fine and doesn't require any correction. She is a magnificent dog. I have run several tests where they set up something that I haven't ever trained on. She always seems to figure it out in a hurry though. She has the intelligence I like, although maybe too intelligent sometimes. She has excellent drive. Her line manners SUCK! She is usually so excited to get to the line that she forgets to listen to me, or even wait for me. She has run to the line and sat down and waited for me before. What I would like to know is, What stud would be best to breed her with to produce pups that can take pressure? I did not do the early neurological stimulation with these pups, how much difference does that make. I did do the ENS with the last litter that I had, but they are not quite 4 months old yet. I will continue to do this with all the litters I have in the future. Thanks for any input.

Thanks,
Tom Murphy
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There ya go. Nothing tougher...

/Paul
 
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Greg Seddon listed some great choices -- maybe you could add Patton and Chopper to that list as well?!?!?
 
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Gun_Dog2002 said:
labman52738 said:
I have a yellow female that I bred to FC AFC Two Toes out the door last year. All the reports from the puppy owners say that the pups are extremely soft. Maggie is a little soft, but extremely intelligent. So long as I make sure that she fully understands what I want her to do, she is fine and doesn't require any correction. She is a magnificent dog. I have run several tests where they set up something that I haven't ever trained on. She always seems to figure it out in a hurry though. She has the intelligence I like, although maybe too intelligent sometimes. She has excellent drive. Her line manners SUCK! She is usually so excited to get to the line that she forgets to listen to me, or even wait for me. She has run to the line and sat down and waited for me before. What I would like to know is, What stud would be best to breed her with to produce pups that can take pressure? I did not do the early neurological stimulation with these pups, how much difference does that make. I did do the ENS with the last litter that I had, but they are not quite 4 months old yet. I will continue to do this with all the litters I have in the future. Thanks for any input.

Thanks,
Tom Murphy
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There ya go. Nothing tougher...

Awesome. I could have some Bulladores then!

/Paul
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why

Tom,

Tough ? Is that physically tough or mentally tough ?

Read an article somewhere, thought it was Judy Aycock ?
Where the autor described the traits they wanted in a competitive dog.
The statement that stuck in my mind was Physically tough and mentally soft.

Physical part so they can deal with the elements of weather and terrain.
Mental part so they can be trained.

If you are looking for tough I have whole list of some of the toughest dogs in the game. I mean these dogs can take pressure, you can light em up like a Christmas tree and they just don't stop.
The other 1/2 of the traits for the dogs on that list of dogs is they are probally the DUMBEST bunch a mutts on 4 legs.
But they can take pressure. You kick their ass on Monday and on Tuesday they will do the same thing in training again.

Now mind you, these are all well bred, well trained, dogs.
Some even have a title. They just take a beating like Jerry Cooney!
 
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Are the pups actually soft? A lot of people think Chessies can be soft (and often have bad line manners and be a little too "smart"), but I don't really think they are soft, they just need to be trained a little differently. It is easy to misread them and think they are soft when they are anything but. It sounds like your girl is predisposed to this trait? In any event, if you have line manner issues, you may want to watch how much octane you put into the breeding trying to fix a "softness" issue. I know this could easily be construed as an excuse/rationalization for Chessies and hope you aren't offended that I would dare compare your Girl to a Chessie :wink: but what you describe is what us Chessie folks put up with, even if it a generalization of the breed and some of its issues. Just make sure they really are soft and not just different. My own opinion FWIW (nothing!) is that more Chessies don't have a deep enough bottoms, than are "soft," though the two are related.
 
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chessieheaven!!@@##? said:
Are the pups actually soft? A lot of people think Chessies can be soft (and often have bad line manners and be a little too "smart"), but I don't really think they are soft, they just need to be trained a little differently. It is easy to misread them and think they are soft when they are anything but. It sounds like your girl is predisposed to this trait? In any event, if you have line manner issues, you may want to watch how much octane you put into the breeding trying to fix a "softness" issue. I know this could easily be construed as an excuse/rationalization for Chessies and hope you aren't offended that I would dare compare your Girl to a Chessie :wink: but what you describe is what us Chessie folks put up with, even if it a generalization of the breed and some of its issues. Just make sure they really are soft and not just different. My own opinion FWIW (nothing!) is that more Chessies don't have a deep enough bottoms, than are "soft," though the two are related.
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Now this is what I am talking about. I have seen several dogs that some people would say are soft. I call them intelligent, as they just require different methods to get the point across. My black female can take the pressure, but is not near as intelligent as my yellow female. I really wish I could combine all the good traits of both of these dogs. I feel I would have a perfect dog then! I am starting to think maybe I should just breed to a poodle! Then I wouldn't have to do any research at all about anything concerning the dogs health, temperment, etc. :eek:
 
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FC AFC Penmarks Mountain King (BLK-BY)
http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/Asp/viewpedigreecolor.asp?DogNo=44277
(He just passed away but may have some frozen semen) Owner Penny Youngblood

FC AFC Trumarc's Stormin Norman II (BLK-BY)
http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/asp/viewpedigreecolor.asp?DogNo=78327
Owner: Mark Rosenblum (214) 385-0062 or Danny Farmer (936) 870-7474

FC My Name is Bocephus (BLK-BY)
http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/Asp/viewpedigreecolor.asp?DogNo=77587
Owner: Jane & Stephen Paul (314) 406-4421
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Just curious, how did you come up with these studs as producers of pups that can take pressure since their production record is quite limited?

Pete
 
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