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#101 · (Edited)
Norwester said:
That's interesting but in a way that raises some questions and perhaps some eyebrows too. Sweden's daily death rate is the lowest it's been since March 11 and it's new cases is the lowest it's been since March 10th.
Seeing as how there was no lockdown how would one account for these numbers other than coming to the
"possible" conclusion that some measure of herd immunity has indeed been reached, contrary to what USA Today is writing?
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I read somewhere that elements of the immune response are not measured by antibodies alone because they occur associated with certain cells, T cells I assume. It is also possible that neutralizing antibodies exist at levels lower than the current test detects but are protective. Add to that Sweden lacks some of the population demographics who seem most susceptible, Native American, African, and diabetes may have a lower incidence there as well. Apparently people with type O blood appear less susceptible so who knows how many of those things exist in a population of 8.5 million versus a population of 350 million.

This is the list of those consulted for the article, I assume it is their conclusion.

Sigurd Bergmann, Ph.D., Emeritus Professor, Norwegian University of Science and Technology
Dr. Leif Bjermer. Ph.D., Professor, Respiratory Medicine and Allergology, Lund University
Barbara Caracciolo, Ph.D., in Epidemiology
Marcus Carlsson, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Mathematics, Lund University
Dr. Lena Einhorn, Ph.D., in Virology
Dr. Stefan Einhorn, Ph.D., Professor of Molecular Oncology, Karolinska Institutet
Andrew Ewing, Ph.D., Professor of Chemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Gothenburg
Dr. Manuel Felices, Ph.D., Head of Endocrine Surgery, NÄL Hospital
Dr. Jonas Frisén, Ph.D., Professor of Stem Cell Research, Karolinska Institutet
Marie Gorwa, Ph.D., Professor of Microbiology, Lund University
Dr. Åke Gustafsson, Ph.D., Clinical Microbiology, Uppsala University Hospital
Dr. Olle Isacsson, Ph.D., Professor of Endocrinology, University of Gothenburg
Dr. Claudia Hanson, Ph.D., Associate professor, Global public health, Karolinska Institutet
Dr. Stefan Hanson, Ph.D., International Health, Karolinska Institutet.
Dr. Jan Lötvall, Ph.D., Professor of Clinical Allergy, University of Gothenburg
Dr. Bo Lundbäck, Ph.D., Professor of Epidemiology of Respiratory Diseases, University of Gothenburg
Åke Lundkvist, Ph.D., Professor of Virology, Uppsala University
 
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#102 ·
I read the list but none of those listed were quoted directly. You put an awful lot of faith in the media acting in an objective responsible manner, especially it seems left biased sources like USA today. In fact, the article is poorly written, subjective and speculative.

That said, Sweden may have indeed got it wrong. However, it's a little early to tell just yet.
 
#103 ·
Jesus Ochoa said:
Got the news this morning , my dad was admitted to the hospital with the virus. Hes in his mid 80's and was active (working) and healthy on his annual physical 2 weeks ago. Now we wait!
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Please let us know how your Dad is. Best wishes to you and family.
 
#104 ·
The doctor said that he is a pretty string old man and should get thru this time will tell. My mother was admitted yesterday afternoon also, no virus just has an infection and may get released this afternoon or tomorrow. Darn rules cant even go see my parents !
 
#108 ·
Norwester said:
Interesting take.

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/photos/a.151342491542569/3445963458747106/?type=3&theater
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quite well written and worth reading. I watched some but not all of the video with Dr Osterholm - plan to finish it later on. Sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about.

I also agree with Mike - that once people accept the fact that they are 'probably' going to get covid - it makes dealing with the illness a little easier. Flattening the curve does not mean Covid is gone. It is here to stay.
 
#110 ·
Tobias said:
quite well written and worth reading. I watched some but not all of the video with Dr Osterholm - plan to finish it later on. Sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about.

I also agree with Mike - that once people accept the fact that they are 'probably' going to get covid - it makes dealing with the illness a little easier. Flattening the curve does not mean Covid is gone. It is here to stay.
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Agreed. Judging from a lot of the statements here, however, people just don't get it. Unless you plan on living in a bubble....FOREVER...you will be exposed to this virus sooner or later.
This makes people angry and they go into denial which makes them much more likely to be influenced or swayed by organizations, governments, and individuals misrepresenting the facts and themselves.
 
#111 ·
True, COVID is here to stay. That being said, flattening the curve is important and I don't think its denial. Getting COVID now in July 2020 is better than if you had gotten it in Jan 2020. Every day and every patient treated leads to improved understanding of the disease. Probably going get COVID but being the last person in the US to get it would be my preference. ;-)
 
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Norwester said:
GBUSMCR wrote,

Just like cancer right? ;-) Seriously though, hard to argue with your last statement.
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Yep, 40 years ago had a handful of drugs for treating. Not so today. No cure but a lot more treatment options. ;-)
 
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Although Minnesota was mentioned as a problem state in an earlier post, the state has actually fared pretty well. There have been 1571 deaths from Covid-19 in the state so far this year, but 1204 of those were people living in nursing homes or assisted living facilities. A person's median life expectancy after entering a nursing home in Minnesota was 4 months before there was Covid-19, so many of the Covid fatalities would have happened for some other reason since these victims are extremely vulnerable. Also, for more than a month now, the number of deaths each day has been less than 10, except for one day when it was 13. In normal, pre-Covid-19 times, 122 people die each day in Minnesota from all causes, but about 10% from influenza and other respiratory diseases.
 
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minnducker said:
Although Minnesota was mentioned as a problem state in an earlier post, the state has actually fared pretty well. There have been 1571 deaths from Covid-19 in the state so far this year, but 1204 of those were people living in nursing homes or assisted living facilities. A person's median life expectancy after entering a nursing home in Minnesota was 4 months before there was Covid-19, so many of the Covid fatalities would have happened for some other reason since these victims are extremely vulnerable. Also, for more than a month now, the number of deaths each day has been less than 10, except for one day when it was 13. In normal, pre-Covid-19 times, 122 people die each day in Minnesota from all causes, but about 10% from influenza and other respiratory diseases.
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Minnesota's GOVERNOR was mentioned as a problem in an earlier post.

Perhaps you can clarify what you wrote. Are you saying that because people in nursing homes are going to die anyway it was ok for the governor to mandate covid-19 infected individuals into said nursing homes and assisted living facilities?? Seriously?
 
Discussion starter · #118 ·
"I thought this was a retriever training site , but looks more like sheep herding" Pete

Pete, the original thrust of this topic was to to discuss the impact of the virus on retriever training and testing. There
is no question that one must make adjustments (the topic) in the decisions necessary to cope. I don't think retriever
training members are even remotely similar to sheep. My training and testing situation has been altered considerably
and listening to others describe their situation(s) has proven useful.

I have trained alone for many years and have not had to make many adjustments in that area.
 
#120 ·
GBUSMCR said:
True, COVID is here to stay. That being said, flattening the curve is important and I don't think its denial. Getting COVID now in July 2020 is better than if you had gotten it in Jan 2020. Every day and every patient treated leads to improved understanding of the disease. Probably going get COVID but being the last person in the US to get it would be my preference. ;-)
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George, this response is not directed at you, personally.

We are doing an outstanding job of fattening the curve. The 1,000+ that are dying in July are no different than those that died in February, March, April, May or June. Dead is dead.

The Spanish Flu epidemic killed 600,000+ Americans in 36 months, with the medical resources available 100 years ago. Covid-19 has killed nearly 150,000 Americans over 6 months with 21st century medicine. Think about it......
 
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