Anyone have near accurate numbers to how many Field Champions ( Fc’s) and Amateur Field Champions( AFC’s ) are earned each year
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Anyone have near accurate numbers to how many Field Champions ( Fc’s) and Amateur Field Champions( AFC’s ) are earned each year
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according to RR this year - 77 FC's 56 AFC's (so far)
2021 - 55 FC, 61 AFC
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No one knows that better than Dave.
I read Retriever News. Have a collection dating back to the very early days.
Am well aware of DK's accomplishments. The comment was not personal.
All dogs with a title in front of their name earned them, as did their owner/trainers.
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Off topic, but related, I would be interested to know the total number of Amateurs that enter All Age stakes annually. Not looking for total entries but rather the total number of unique Amateurs that are active participants running field trials.
AND, is that a growing number or are the AA stakes all going the way of the pro.
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I’d be interested in a breakdown of AFC’s Trained;
Exclusively by pros.
By both pros and amateurs.
Exclusively by amateurs.
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I think it would be possible to research the 'true amateur trainer' vs the 'amateur handler with the pro trained dog' --- just look at the dog's profile on RR. It tell who the last known pro was for the dog, if there was one, and the last time that pro either entered or handled the dog in an event.
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Possibly a good start but would not be completely accurate. Some people use pros for certain parts of training and the pro never enters them in an event and therefore that pro would not show up on RR.
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FC AFC Tucker --- shows Chad Radt as his pro until 2012. Alex did not use a pro after he bought Tucker, to my knowledge. So, Tucker is both pro trained (young dog) and amateur trained. Does that qualify him as a 'true' amateur trained dog? I think so, since most of his career he was Am trained. I suppose that is mainly a matter of opinion, however....
Question? A vs P?
A bought a puppy after doing the research.
A is a busy person with limited resources for training, grounds.
A farms a portion of that training to others with skills in the needed area of training who has those grounds.
All the time during that process A is involved with the training as much as possible.
All during that time A is actively evaluating the dog or dogs.
A is also an active judge doing 2 trials/year.
A has an active family & participates in family events so on occasion the dog is trained/handled by someone other than A.
A runs the dog in the Amateur including the National, both AA stakes on most weekends, but not the National Open.
Would you consider the dog amateur trained as A has managed all aspects?
A bought a puppy after doing the research.
A is a busy person with limited resources for training, grounds.
A farms a portion of that training to others with skills in the needed area of training who has those grounds.
All the time during that process A is involved with the training as much as possible.
All during that time A is actively evaluating the dog or dogs.
A is also an active judge doing 2 trials/year.
A has an active family & participates in family events so on occasion the dog is trained/handled by someone other than A.
A runs the dog in the Amateur including the National, both AA stakes on most weekends, but not the National Open.
Would you consider the dog amateur trained as A has managed all aspects?
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Additionally the dog trained by it’s amateur owner and sent for winter or summer trip and the pro runs the dog in a handful of trials shows up as professionally trained when it is only being professionally handled.
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My guess is 40 to 45% of dogs running at all age are trained exclusively by pros. Another 40 to 45% are trained partially by amateurs and partially by pros. The remainder being exclusively amateur trained.
I don’t think the percentages would be much different in master level hunt tests.
it makes no difference to me what resources other use to train their dogs. I’m just curious about it.
I don’t think the percentages would be much different in master level hunt tests.
it makes no difference to me what resources other use to train their dogs. I’m just curious about it.
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Also dogs that are with a pro quite a good bit for training, especially for summers or winters, depending on location. But pro has never ran dog at an event.FC AFC Tucker --- shows Chad Radt as his pro until 2012. Alex did not use a pro after he bought Tucker, to my knowledge. So, Tucker is both pro trained (young dog) and amateur trained. Does that qualify him as a 'true' amateur trained dog? I think so, since most of his career he was Am trained. I suppose that is mainly a matter of opinion, however....
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Deciding if their dog is Amateur trained or not isja decision to be made by the dog’s owner not the gallery (peanut or otherwise).
You may think that but you would be wrong. You are right in your reasoning. You judge what you see.
I remember when doing placings in an Amateur my co-judge in trying to advance a placing undeserved for a friend
using the fact that the superior performing dog was by a dog that was trained by a pro. My co-judge had many credits.
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your opinion is that people shouldn't be able to discuss what they believe an amateur trained dog is? (not handled in a ft, which of course, is defined in the rule book)
It doesn't take away from the sucess of the dog. Or of the handler(s) or trainer(s) of said dog.
I think it's fun to know what dogs are mostly amateur trained. These people are my 'heros' because they show what can be done with dedication and perseverance (among other things)..... whether they send their dog out for a few months in the winter - or put their dog with a pro for the young dog training, or have a serious illness/injury that limits their ability to train their dog - makes no difference to me - they've had a decent part in the training of their dog that is awesome!
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Due to having to work and other priorities I use a pro. I train during late spring through Fall and work my dog under direction. The pro runs the Open because I don't run that many trials because of the other priorities. I was a lousy handler at trials this year. I will run more myself next year because of retiring. So does that make my dog semi pro?
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Nobody is “shaming” 🙄 those who send their dogs to a pro. Many people do not have the time, resources or desire to train their own dogs. Some people don’t have the skill and/or patience for it, but they still love dogs and the sport.
Would anyone argue that it’s not more rewarding to train a retriever from puppy to a field title that it is to handle a pro trained dog to the same title?
Would anyone argue that it’s not more rewarding to train a retriever from puppy to a field title that it is to handle a pro trained dog to the same title?
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