The Retriever Field Trial News has just issued a press release
http://www.working-retriever.com/rftentry.html
http://www.working-retriever.com/rftentry.html
Latest Salvo in the EE v RFTN Fight
Ted Shih
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Having, as yet, still not received my January issue of RFTN, and having only received my December issue in January, I am not sanguine about having RFTN handle entries. However, the more important issue in my mind is that RFTN and the clubs have effectively announced their intention to create a monopoly on entry management using a mix of seductive and authoritarian techniques. They are trying to describe this in a way that links to a core mission -- record-keeping -- but I believe that it will actually distract them from their primary missions. In the process, they are trying to destroy those businesses that have actually done something constructive in this area. For future entrepreneurs who might do something useful, the message is clear. If you can find out a way to do something useful and make money, we will use our institutional position to drive you out of business. I do not believe that this should be a tax sheltered activity. If RFTN is going to participate in this arena, it should be required to abide by the same non-discrimination provisions that apply to the clubs in terms of how it prices its services. In the mean time, I think I will continue to ask EE to act as my agent in processing the entries that I will choose to have submitted manually for any events that register for rftentry. I would expect them to be treated the same as my secretary would be treated in preparing and mailing my entry.
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Buzz,
When I saw Dr. Ed's post, I agreed wholeheartedly with the above quote.
IF RFTN would develop their website to have an on-line version of the RFTN which could show up to date news, FT/HT results, along with video clips, etc., I believe they would improve their resource for the retriever community. For the folks that do not use the computer, they could still offer the hard copy.
Just so no one thinks I am just picking on RFTN, I was a subscriber for many, many years. I also for years ran a monthly ad for my puppy raising business as well as litter ads. I have quite a collection of RFTN....12 binders full, plus another pile that would probably fill another 5 or 6 binders. I considered myself a very good customer. I am very disappointed at this point.
Too bad they didn't do more to improve what they already have regards,
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That could be an option.....I'm just thinking out loud......but I would say if the owner of a paricular dog did not want stats available to the joe public then you flag that record and do not display it but instead direct the person looking for info to contact the owner.
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It's public information
What basis would there be for excluding information about your dog's PERFORMANCE (as opposed to your personal information, etc.)?
This is not like a health test where privacy promotes testing which is thought to promote the public good.
If you don't want your dog's performance to be recorded, don't compete
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I happen to like reading articles in print
I subscribe to Time Magazine - even though I read the NY Times online in the morning
I subscribe to Sports Illustrated - even though I scan their website daily
And I will continue to subscribe to the Retriever Field Trial News - even though results are more readily available here
I don't sanction or condone what is being done in the entry business, but I am not prepared to give up my subscription either
I subscribe to Time Magazine - even though I read the NY Times online in the morning
I subscribe to Sports Illustrated - even though I scan their website daily
And I will continue to subscribe to the Retriever Field Trial News - even though results are more readily available here
I don't sanction or condone what is being done in the entry business, but I am not prepared to give up my subscription either
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Ted,
You could just say contact last known owner and not list personal info - just thinking from a website development perspective.....I agree FTs are public, the results are public, but from a web developer prespective it is an easy option to do on a database.....nothing but thinking outloud.....
Lainee, Flash and Bullet
You could just say contact last known owner and not list personal info - just thinking from a website development perspective.....I agree FTs are public, the results are public, but from a web developer prespective it is an easy option to do on a database.....nothing but thinking outloud.....
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Unless and/or until the two National clubs make their Constitution and Bylaws available to their members, I will not accept at face value any statment that what they are doing in this regard to be allowable by same.
How do you start one of those patition threads regards.
john
How do you start one of those patition threads regards.
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My suggestion is to send a registered letter, return receipt requested, to the secretaries of both National clubs requesting a current financial statement and a copy of both club's constitution and by-laws for your club.
That's what I'm going to do for our club.
kg
That's what I'm going to do for our club.
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The Master National Club has their Const. and BL's posted on a club website The two National FT clubs should follow their lead.
You don't see the MN club doing anything with newspapers and entry services or the like do ya?????
No, they are doing what they allowed to do by their constitution and bylaws, HAVE A NATIONAL!!!!!!!!!
Ted, does your club have a copy that you could e-mail me ?
john
You don't see the MN club doing anything with newspapers and entry services or the like do ya?????
No, they are doing what they allowed to do by their constitution and bylaws, HAVE A NATIONAL!!!!!!!!!
Ted, does your club have a copy that you could e-mail me ?
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Yes, Vicki, I agreee........ I tried for years to convince them that it was a first results battle to the end..... News is news. First news wins..... but what do I know.
When RFTN bought out a very popular and wonderfully useful website www.working-retriever.com , much like RTF is now today but better, what was the purpose....initiative......behind that????????? ( A Not-for-profit organization, publication, purchasing a web based site????)
The site, a once flourishing useful site visited everyday just like RTF, became stagnant. The site was updated very seldom. This happened back in the early 1990's. This was Field Trial News's answer to the world wide web...
They could have, AND STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. to make it the MOST POPULAR site on the internet. If they would just put the magazine online the instant it is published, people would go their to read the news BEFORE they even got the hard copy. Give every registered subscriber a login, or the same login, they use to enter field trials, AND WELLA!
Now we have www.RFTEntry.com ..... trying to outdo a wonderful website, www.entryrexpress.com. Why didn't the AKC or the National clubs come up with this first? Now the challenge, if they want to compete, is to blow it out with innovative new ideas combined with an online magazine that will make the retriever world look and say, "NOW THIS IS GREAT!"
Let the competition begin.....
The input of every member club, member, and participant should be heard to decide the direction of the field trial entry service. WHAT DO WE WANT ????? WHAT DO WE NEED????? WHAT IS BEST FOR FIELD TRIALS AND HUNT TESTS????
When RFTN bought out a very popular and wonderfully useful website www.working-retriever.com , much like RTF is now today but better, what was the purpose....initiative......behind that????????? ( A Not-for-profit organization, publication, purchasing a web based site????)
The site, a once flourishing useful site visited everyday just like RTF, became stagnant. The site was updated very seldom. This happened back in the early 1990's. This was Field Trial News's answer to the world wide web...
They could have, AND STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. to make it the MOST POPULAR site on the internet. If they would just put the magazine online the instant it is published, people would go their to read the news BEFORE they even got the hard copy. Give every registered subscriber a login, or the same login, they use to enter field trials, AND WELLA!
Now we have www.RFTEntry.com ..... trying to outdo a wonderful website, www.entryrexpress.com. Why didn't the AKC or the National clubs come up with this first? Now the challenge, if they want to compete, is to blow it out with innovative new ideas combined with an online magazine that will make the retriever world look and say, "NOW THIS IS GREAT!"
Let the competition begin.....
The input of every member club, member, and participant should be heard to decide the direction of the field trial entry service. WHAT DO WE WANT ????? WHAT DO WE NEED????? WHAT IS BEST FOR FIELD TRIALS AND HUNT TESTS????
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WRC was the dominate retriever site when RTFN bought it. The new owners did want to get active in moderating, so they elected to have an automatic censoring program. I was automatically banned for using the word "stupid". After most people made similar errors, they gravitated to the site that had been mostly NAHRA oriented, RTF.
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I thought RFTN's decision to purchase WRC was a good one. I thought their execution on WRC was poor.
I thought that RFTN's decision to enter the entry business was a poor one, but that is old news. It is what it is.
However, I think that their execution on the concept has been somewhat lacking to date.
I thought that RFTN's decision to enter the entry business was a poor one, but that is old news. It is what it is.
However, I think that their execution on the concept has been somewhat lacking to date.
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No, they never tried to buy EE.net nor was it for sale. However, EE.net's data base was offered to them for free, so they would have access to building statistics. That wasn't good enough, they wanted it all!
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