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#41 ·
Real Mccoy. Did water retrieves again today, not much time so made them short. The only issue we had was the Mallards wanting to drop in and join us!:D I mean dead on and down the barrel kind of stuff. Thor looked at them like "haaayyyy let's get some of those"!
 
#43 ·
So you are FF at 17 weeks. How mature is the pup to understand the pressure?
 
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#44 ·
I believe Leonard F started FF with Chena River Chavez at 16 weeks. I asked Howard N when he FF Chena River Wild Lady "Pricy" and he told me at 4 and half months. We trained with both of these individuals and watched both of these pups work. Our pup Ammo is extremely bidable and doing the work. She is at a point in her training were if we do not FF her we would not be able to take her to that next level. I do agree that this seems to be very young. However, it is definitely not unheard of.
 
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Same place I'm (we're) at. When I say I've started FF that's exactly it. Hold. We started light ear pinch after 4 days of "forcing hold'". I'm totally convinced this dog will understand and except the pressure. We're moving slow because at this time, time is all we have. The beauty of Thor is, he is FULL of retrieving drive but a whimp when it comes to correction. You don't have to "over correct" this dog to get him to produce. If he's corrected it's "oh ya, ok" and then we move on. He also ges alot of time to just be a pup, once again right now he's doing the upside down in the living room floor chasing his tail with the whole family laughing at him! What fun dogs!!!
 
#46 ·
Moosetogooseranch said:
I believe Leonard F started FF with Chena River Chavez at 16 weeks. I asked Howard N when he FF Chena River Wild Lady "Pricy" and he told me at 4 and half months. We trained with both of these individuals and watched both of these pups work. Our pup Ammo is extremely bidable and doing the work. She is at a point in her training were if we do not FF her we would not be able to take her to that next level. I do agree that this seems to be very young. However, it is definitely not unheard of.
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I believe Lenny was done with force fetch at 16 weeks with Chavez. I didn't start ff with Pricey until 4.5 months.
 
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#47 ·
Thanks for the replies Moose and Gil...

makes sense. I've got a Bo X Rage 12 wk pup from Santa Fe....and he has that strong drive also. Seems that Deb did a good job picking Sires for her girls.
 
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#48 ·
Howard N said:
I believe Lenny was done with force fetch at 16 weeks with Chavez. I didn't start ff with Pricey until 4.5 months.
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Thanks for the correction Howard.
 
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#49 ·
Makes me wish I would have gotten ahold of her sooner so I could have gotten on the list as well!! I didn't contact her until all the deposits were filled and she wasn't accepting anymore... Maybe I'll get on the list if she does a repeat breeding!
 
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AlexM said:
Makes me wish I would have gotten ahold of her sooner so I could have gotten on the list as well!! I didn't contact her until all the deposits were filled and she wasn't accepting anymore... Maybe I'll get on the list if she does a repeat breeding!
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I'm not speaking for Deb, but she has already contacted me to repeat the breeding. Not sure of the anticipated date. Please contact her at Santa Fe Labs to confirm. With reports like these, I may keep one for myself.

I have received very good reports regarding some of Roux's other litters. I encourage anyone with his pups to give me some feedback - the good and the bad. Just to set the record straight, good reports are directly related to genetics. Bad reports are directly related to poor training. :)

Thanks,

Frank
 
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Bayou Magic said:
I'm not speaking for Deb, but she has already contacted me to repeat the breeding. Not sure of the anticipated date. Please contact her at Santa Fe Labs to confirm. With reports like these, I may keep one for myself.

I have received very good reports regarding some of Roux's other litters. I encourage anyone with his pups to give me some feedback - the good and the bad. Just to set the record straight, good reports are directly related to genetics. Bad reports are directly related to poor training. :)

Thanks,

Frank
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I have already sent my deposit in for the next breeding! Smile
 
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Frank, LOL on the good and bad! If you need anyone for a reference on Roux's pups, I'll be glad to talk him up. Yesterday was 100 yard marks working with another dog. The "little guy" and I use that term loosely, floated on the first mark, down wind thank god, got the first and nailed the others. Thanks Deb on the pictures!!
 
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DRAKEHAVEN said:
Howard,

What was the effect of that early pressure on later training ? PM is ok.

JK
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Pricey's and Chavez's acomplishments are a matter of record.

Chavez had 119.5 open points and 42.5 amateur points according to the AKC store.

Pricey had 112.5 open points and 43 amateur points at the same sight.

When she was a puppy I certainly didn't want to hold Pricey back she took what I presented to her and wanted more.

Lenny had Chavez crawling off the line, I had Pricey flying.
 
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Howard we remember it just as you stated. Pricey was always flying high. Chavez was screwed down tight. You could see Greatness from a very very early age. There was no doubt if the dogs stayed healthy they were going to be at the top of the competition.
 
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#59 ·
Gil, I see that Thor is Tall, Dark and Handsome!
 
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Discussion starter · #60 ·
Hey guys,

We too have been through hold and walking hold. Both required very little pressure, and at times I used more than was needed to make sure that Gator understood what the pressure was for and how to get out of it. Gator looks identical to Thor. He weighed in at 38lbs yesterday. He has been doing great on his marks. Using alot of mixed distance and different cover. I did have one set back ( in some cover Gator ran over the mark and winded the other bumpers my son had laid at his feet. My son not paying attention and not hearing me yell at 120yrds. Gator got one, he is soo smart that now if he has to hunt he goes right to my sons feet.) Isnt dog training fun. Gators adult teeth are now coming in so we put a halt on FF untill they are all in ( his mouth seem to be sore) still working on those pics for you guys. I need my wife to bring the camera cord home from work so I can post them. Hope all of the other Gator and Tyra pup owners are enjoying their pups as well as I am.
 
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