I was training at a county park here in this Nazi state of NJ and ran in to the county security guards they told me that if the dog doesn't have a leash I had to leave. I informed them that the dog had a e-collar and they basically said tough. I was speaking to someone yesterday and they informed me that there may be case law to support my issue that a e-collar is the same a leash?? Any help would be appreciated I would go else where but it is a very good spot to train. Thanks Chris
Leash law advice???
Gruntinbuck
1 - 20 of 22 Posts
Joined
·
12 Posts
I was training at a county park here in this Nazi state of NJ and ran in to the county security guards they told me that if the dog doesn't have a leash I had to leave. I informed them that the dog had a e-collar and they basically said tough. I was speaking to someone yesterday and they informed me that there may be case law to support my issue that a e-collar is the same a leash?? Any help would be appreciated I would go else where but it is a very good spot to train. Thanks Chris
Joined
·
3,284 Posts
The first thing I would do is find out what the language is in the leash law. If it specifically states that it must be on a leash, you may be out of luck. If it states that the dog must be under control, that is different. I know that our local leash laws here would potentially allow for a dog not to be on a leash if you could demonstrate control, but obviously that would vary with the specific language in the particular statute. Carefully review the verbage and see if there is something you can "hang your hat on."
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and I am not attempting to give legal advice.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and I am not attempting to give legal advice.
Joined
·
1,228 Posts
Our local ordinance does not provide for training or e-collars. Flexileads or any lead over 6 foot is also illegal. Additionally, if off the prescribed lead, the dog must be behind an enclosure. It took away our drill field and any training within the city limits. The law helped us to decide to leave that community. The house closing is in June...
As I understood it, Fairbanks actually did make provisions for the sled dogs in their ordinance because someone with influence made sure that the exception existed.
When these laws are proposed, the worst thing that a knowledgeable dog owner can do is to do nothing...
As I understood it, Fairbanks actually did make provisions for the sled dogs in their ordinance because someone with influence made sure that the exception existed.
When these laws are proposed, the worst thing that a knowledgeable dog owner can do is to do nothing...
nope, e-collars not the same as leash here. Behind my house I'm lucky to have fields and ponds. No one is ever back there. Plenty of geese and ducks are here. Got to be at least 500 acres of field/man made ponds. Only one time I caught a guy dumping motor oil into the drains! That's another story...
but one time i drove to a field that was owned by the state. i did some training and fun but a DEP officer told me the dog has to be leashed up. Told him the dog has an ecollar on and he said "Like that is gonna do anything, that's NO guarantee! leash the dog up sir!" So I did and left. Called the local police and DEP and both told me they'd have to look into it but said a leash is a leash blah blah blah, gave me a lecture.
So i'll stick to my "secret" fields thank u! i worried someone may hear my .32 blanks going off but in the year or so doing it nothing has happened. i'll go on my merry way until someone asks me to stop.
but one time i drove to a field that was owned by the state. i did some training and fun but a DEP officer told me the dog has to be leashed up. Told him the dog has an ecollar on and he said "Like that is gonna do anything, that's NO guarantee! leash the dog up sir!" So I did and left. Called the local police and DEP and both told me they'd have to look into it but said a leash is a leash blah blah blah, gave me a lecture.
So i'll stick to my "secret" fields thank u! i worried someone may hear my .32 blanks going off but in the year or so doing it nothing has happened. i'll go on my merry way until someone asks me to stop.
Joined
·
390 Posts
I think if we all join together we could possibly fight the Animal Rights activists that push for all the overly restrictive laws. The ultimate goal of the AR extremists is to stop all animal ownership. No circus, zoos, state aquarium, state fairs with Grand Champions, AKC, UKC etc. They are working towards it little by little.
Right now the city of Dallas has an ordinance up for vote that says all dogs and cats must be spayed or neutered at 4 months of age. You can apply for a breeders permit. They have made a provision for that, but the cost is $500 per year per intact animal. I don’t know about you, but that is to pricy for my MH bitch.
Here are 2 organizations that are fighting this AR battle so that normal America can have some representation on these Municipal Animal Control boards. Please consider joining.
http://americansportingdogalliance.org/
http://www.responsiblepetowners.org/index.html
Right now the city of Dallas has an ordinance up for vote that says all dogs and cats must be spayed or neutered at 4 months of age. You can apply for a breeders permit. They have made a provision for that, but the cost is $500 per year per intact animal. I don’t know about you, but that is to pricy for my MH bitch.
Here are 2 organizations that are fighting this AR battle so that normal America can have some representation on these Municipal Animal Control boards. Please consider joining.
http://americansportingdogalliance.org/
http://www.responsiblepetowners.org/index.html
Joined
·
915 Posts
Most agricultural counties in any state have leash laws to supposedly keep dogs from chasing livestock. Supposedly,(according to my bro-in-law who has a lab and was a cop, so take it for what it's worth) in my county they now count ecollars as a form of leash.
Laws are made for things that stupid people do in this country. Unfortunately, the rest of us still have to obey them though!
BHB
Laws are made for things that stupid people do in this country. Unfortunately, the rest of us still have to obey them though!
BHB
Joined
·
915 Posts
This was brought up in the legislature about a year ago to attempt to make it a statewide law in California. Dog and cat show people, breeders, houndsman, etc. lobbied hard against it and it was defeated for now, but it may rear it's ugly head again. The guy that wrote the bill is a typical Hollywood liberal and doesn't realize that another world exists outside of Hollywood.
The Los Angeles city council recently adopted this same thing as a city ordinance. Feel sorry for the breeders in LA.
BHB
Joined
·
205 Posts
Interesting topic. My two cents. When I was living in Florida they also had a leash law. My dog was very obedient, to the point that I never needed a leash. So the way I got around the law was I put a very very short leash on the dog (basically a handle off the collar) and then the dog was technically on a leash. It worked for me.
Joined
·
593 Posts
NJ guy here -- most of the municipalities around my area have leash laws and restricted areas (like school playgrounds) - they do not want the dogs defecating in places where kids may slip in it. For the most part I don't have a problem with that -- I usually train my dog with an ecollar.
Its always a warning first from the police, so if you're polite you just "leash" up your dog and they're fine. For the most part, I don't think the police really care if you're training your dog. They usually only need to address the issue when people complain and then they have no choice but to follow the ordinance. A lot of times in the early morning, they will come by and watch me train.
I wouldn't fire off any poppoers or blanks though in populated areas - save them for the trips to the WMAs - which by the way for the NJ guy, there are plenty of places to train your dog and shoot off blank loads without the chagrine of local law enforcement. All the WMAs are open althouugh some are restricted at certain times of the year.
Now if you get a real "ball-buster" DEP guy or someone then I'd look for another place.
Its always a warning first from the police, so if you're polite you just "leash" up your dog and they're fine. For the most part, I don't think the police really care if you're training your dog. They usually only need to address the issue when people complain and then they have no choice but to follow the ordinance. A lot of times in the early morning, they will come by and watch me train.
I wouldn't fire off any poppoers or blanks though in populated areas - save them for the trips to the WMAs - which by the way for the NJ guy, there are plenty of places to train your dog and shoot off blank loads without the chagrine of local law enforcement. All the WMAs are open althouugh some are restricted at certain times of the year.
Now if you get a real "ball-buster" DEP guy or someone then I'd look for another place.
Joined
·
1,055 Posts
Read the animal ordinances of your county carefully. I did for my county, and there is actually a provision in there that a dog being actively trained for "obedience trials or hunting competitions" can be off leash, even in a public area. Sweet! I can't believe my county full of tree hugging hippies actually wrote that into law (BTW I'm 1/2 tree hugging hippie myself).
--Anney
--Anney
Joined
·
86 Posts
GB and I hit the WMAs pretty hard on the weekend, but they are just to far for training on weekdays. I haven't had any problems at schools or parks (so far) in my town, but I also leave the training pistol in the car.
As for "dogs defacating in places were kids may slip in it", the city/county parks need to do some population control on the geese first. They make the soccer fields by my house almost unusable.
James
As for "dogs defacating in places were kids may slip in it", the city/county parks need to do some population control on the geese first. They make the soccer fields by my house almost unusable.
James
there is a WMA field I sometimes go to and they are in the process to pass a regulation that any "companion/pet dog owner" put their dog on a leash in this area. The clubs that "rent" this land for training and trials have complained to DEP that pet dog owners let their dogs run rampant and disrupt their training and trials. So the pet dog owners are RAGING mad and have put together their own club/org to combat this new reg being considered. I am on both ends. I however do not run trials now (i will in the near future) and use this WMA as a place to have fun vs training. But it has become a war with Field Trial clubs vs Pet dog owners. Actual verbal fights have broken out with threats and all. One time a younger girl (member of a club I assume) brandished a handgun at a pet dog owner who threatened her and her dog, i don't know. it was just hearsay. But its interesting that DEP will force people to put dogs on leash while in this WMA yet let anyone with a hunting dog off leash. I have a few friends with pet dogs that go there and are furious and feel it is unfair. I will admit some of these trial folks are rude and confrontational but…The WMA is used for field trials about 15% of the time during a year. I say why can’t everyone get along!!!!
Joined
·
892 Posts
Joined
·
1,289 Posts
We live in town at the beach, 1 block from the sand. The leash laws are very clear here. On the few portions of the beach within the city where dogs are allowed at all, they're supposed to be on a leash. In the State Beach park about 1/4 mile from us, dogs are supposed to be on a leash no more than 6' long.
That said, the "locals" still run their dogs on the beach and let them swim in the surf, and walk or run them in the park until the long arm of the law reaches out and puts a temporary end to it. I've been reprimanded for it several times. Read between the lines! ;-)
That said, the "locals" still run their dogs on the beach and let them swim in the surf, and walk or run them in the park until the long arm of the law reaches out and puts a temporary end to it. I've been reprimanded for it several times. Read between the lines! ;-)
Joined
·
8,978 Posts
Devlin, don't try that in SC
The beach Nazis will tell you once and if your dog is seen off lead one more time, bingo, $500 to support beach renourishment (or so they say).
We have found our own private beach accessible only by boat. Dogs run free. Its not a training area for sure, but at least we all get to swim and drink beer.
The beach Nazis will tell you once and if your dog is seen off lead one more time, bingo, $500 to support beach renourishment (or so they say).We have found our own private beach accessible only by boat. Dogs run free. Its not a training area for sure, but at least we all get to swim and drink beer.
Joined
·
1,289 Posts
I'm not sure what the fine is here, and don't want to know...besides which, on a warm, sunny afternoon our "beach Nazis" (great name, BTW) usually don't seem to know whether to s*** or wind their watches. Guess it's because they get excited that there are finally enough people on the beach that they feel like their posing will be appreciated. We pick our times pretty carefully these days, and we actually get some productive regular training time in the park if we're careful and observant..but your place sounds like a lot more fun! Warm water, ocean swimming and cold beer...AND the dog, too??? Sign me up! Our water is still in the mid-50s here.Devlin, don't try that in SC
We have found our own private beach accessible only by boat. Dogs run free. Its not a training area for sure, but at least we all get to swim and drink beer.
Joined
·
1,207 Posts
Where I live our town laws state that dogs must be "on leash or under the owner's direct control" so we an e-collar would work at well here. We also are able to use most of the school yards for drills, but I am very careful about picking up after my dogs and usually end up picking up after other people's dogs as well. State Parks are the only place where the dogs absolutely have to be on leash (at least during the hours that the park is open and the rangers are patrolling). I am fortunate enough to have some rivers around that we can use for water marks as well as some public pond areas that have no problems with dogs.
Joined
·
5,202 Posts
Chris, if it's a county park I don't know what statute they even write it against?
I can't imagine it's local, it would have to be somethign at the county or state level.
Do you know anyone in LE who you could ask?
I'll see what I can find out.
I can't imagine it's local, it would have to be somethign at the county or state level.
Do you know anyone in LE who you could ask?
I'll see what I can find out.
Joined
·
12 Posts
I have acouple of connections and plan on working them I was just looking at options.Chris
Joined
·
961 Posts
I have been told by a person connected with animal control in Anchorage that Anchorage is one of the few cities that does have a leash law that considers e collar to be the same as a leash. Check it out, if you need a contact I may be able to put you in touch with the person that gave me that information. I used to train openly in a large arena parking lot during winter without leash with many police driving around with no problem. A large plowed lot was about the only place we could find without deep snow. Bud
1 - 20 of 22 Posts
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
