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Don’t be sorry, it is what it is, he is a carrier. It is not the end of the world! Unfortunaly there are going to be a lot carriers out there.
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Yes, he has. Why do you think we all just fell off the darn turnip truck?
A great deal of folks who post here have been reading and posting for YEARS.
Missy, you and Dan are stand up folks. Carrier status is NOT bad. We just need to use that info to keep affecteds from being produced.
Just another tool in the toolbox.
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Right, and the EIC test hasn't been around for years, so how would anyone have known whether he was clear or not? And you previously claimed to have done a lot of research on the subject, so with your understanding of these things why would you believe and repeat that? It makes no sense. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest with you, but after reading your many posts on the subject it really appears that you either have an agenda or you have your head in the sand or both...either way the first quote above cannot be reconciled with the third quote above.
P.S. I do not claim to KNOW whether Jamie was clear or not, but I do have an opinion on the subject which I will keep to myself at the very least until the full mode of inheritance is confirmed (see Yardley's posts in this thread if you don't understand the last part of what I just wrote).
Unless DNA is available, we will never KNOW if any deceased dog was CLEAR or not if they were deceased before the test came out (at least the trial). I have semen from a deceased stud (not Jamie). I will NEVER KNOW whether this dog was clear of EIC or CNM because his death predated the tests. If I ever use this semen I will have to make sure that the bitch is CNM CLEAR and EIC CLEAR. I have no reason to suspect that this dog was a carrier, but I cannot go around claiming that he was clear.
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Semen is a good source for DNA. CNM tests are already being done on semen samples (Hawkeye's Candlewood Shadow was tested this way and found to be CNM clear using only the semen leftovers). Hopefully the same may become possible for EIC.
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In November or December I wil be breeding a HRCH bitch out of Carbon to Choppper (Line bred on Carbon and Cosmo) and the bitch or litter will not be tested. My bitch is a great marker, runs hard on blinds and is OK but not great at the line.
If some one wants a great marking pup with tons of go this will be a good choice.
I have stated before, just because we can, does not mean we have to or should.
I will bet that there are a lot of past NFC's who are genetically affected and never showed the signs in their physical performance.
Too bad there is not a stat that states how many geneticaly affected dogs do or do not or ever showed the physical manifestations of this.
The ones who are so adamant re: trying to breed around it might change their minds.
If some one wants a great marking pup with tons of go this will be a good choice.
I have stated before, just because we can, does not mean we have to or should.
I will bet that there are a lot of past NFC's who are genetically affected and never showed the signs in their physical performance.
Too bad there is not a stat that states how many geneticaly affected dogs do or do not or ever showed the physical manifestations of this.
The ones who are so adamant re: trying to breed around it might change their minds.
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Yes, of course it is.
I did not know that they were testing CNM in this manner. I would think that is great news to a lot of owners of deceased studs who have a lot of semen to sell. I knew that was not the way they were originally testing for CNM and I knew that they have gone from cheek swabs to blood for EIC, but no semen yet.
I don't have much of this semen at all, so if I do elect to use it I will still just use it with a EIC CLEAR and CNM CLEAR bitch. However, I do appreciate the informative reply and it may be of great benefit to someone else.
That is your choice but responsible breeders should test their bitches! IMHO...Now that the test is available buyers should demand that they know the status of the puppies as far as if they have any risk of buying an affected. Carriers are as good as clears in my opinion- as long as you know what you have- there is a lot more to a good dog than a clear EIC test...
How could an affected get as far as FC/AFC and a national invitation? It seems that not all "affecteds" will be severly symptomatic...that is one "affected" I would not mind being the owner of!
How could an affected get as far as FC/AFC and a national invitation? It seems that not all "affecteds" will be severly symptomatic...that is one "affected" I would not mind being the owner of!
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I would be more concerned about skeletal soundness than EIC with this inbreeding of half-siblings.
Scroll down and read Del Mar's thread on elbows. You would surprised to read which dog is identified with bad elbows.
Check some of the recent EIC posts. There was an FC/AFC dog that just tested affected who was qualified for the national open.
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As far as using semen for testing for CNM and EIC from dead sires, First and foremost, you have to be the owner of the stud, not the semen, in order to send it in for testing, or at least have written permission from the stud owner. Second, it does not take much of the semen for the testing. Most stud owners send 3 x the needed amount of semen to inseminate a female. A little dab will do ya!
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I agree on this one. A little question and answer session with a few sibling owners also might prove to be helpful.
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Let me get this straight...
Your plan is to breed a Carbon daughter to a Carbon son (half siblings) ... and the common grandfather top and bottom is Cosmo.
And even though there is now a test available for EIC that costs $65, you are not going to test the bitch before you make the breeding?
Why not?
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I am surprised Mike posted that...It may be a joke.That is a high risk breeding ....just because you can.Would buyers be made aware of the risks ? .
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Where are you getting this information and how many frozen semen breedings have YOU done?
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