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Have two puppies ones weight is fine. the other though, is very skinny i noticed they were both getting a little smaller so upped there food from 4.5 cups of food to 6 cups and like i said ones weight is back to normal...assuming he just had a small growing spurt that i had wasn't quite on top of. The other though is still skinny hasn't really gained much weight even with 1.5 cups more food. kind of worried, should i be and should i make a trip to the vet?

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PS he acts completely normal
 
Could have gotten into rabbit pellets like our pup did, she was always starving and scavaging for food. She didn't lose weight or condition, but she wasn't really growing. Started to investigate poops and found tape worms. Wormed her twice and she gained 5 pounds and almost 2 inches with in 2 weeks. She hasn't had a problem since, but we have been a lot more vigilant since. This year we just happened to get a bumper crop of rabbits.
 
Are you feeding a high quality food? Pups require a lot of good nutrition. That said, some have pancreatic insufficiencies so are "unthrifty". Some need extra digestive enzymes/probiotics. I give mine a product called N-zymes... I feel it's cut down on my food needs by ~20% overall so is well worth it. Less food in = less poop out too!

The vet is a good idea too. I'd 2nd the fecal sample. Anne
 
Where do you buy N-Zymes?
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
Feed Purina Puppy Chow for large breed dogs. theyve been perfectly fine on it till just recently. they were both wormed just recently....like last week.i know thats not high quality so really hoping thats not the problem. they are about to turn 1 year old think i will take them to the vet monday if possible
 
Taking them to the vet is not a bad idea, BUT what you are experiencing is not that uncommon. It is still a good idea to rule out anything medical (tapeworm, heartworm, etc.).

But in the meantime, here's what I would recommend:

1) Bump up to at least Purina One if not proplan. You can still get purina one at the grocery store, so it's at least convenient.
2) Break up feedings into twice a day if you aren't already... For thin dogs (we have one right now, same age as your's. Male that is just growing like a weed), we'll do 2.5 cups in the am and 4 cups in the pm. That seems to work for us. It seems that if you do it all in one sitting, the digestive system doesn't work as efficiently... Just my observation, NOT scientific.
3) If you're looking for a bargain weightgaining supplement, go with corn oil... You can add 2-3 tablespoons with their food. Many years ago -- and it's been a while, although I used to share this all the time so my memory isn't quite as good -- Auburn did a study of various oils and found that corn oil was the one that was best retained as fat.
4) I would wait to switch to adult food until you have him at a good weight.

And finally:
1) check his stools. If they are firm and don't have any unidentified objects in them, that's a good sign.
2) check his coat - is it shiny and healthy looking?
 
ps -- when you do multiple feedings, make sure you don't train/exercise immediately following the meal. Give them a few hours to digest. It can get a little tricky with working dogs. Sometimes we'll feed after training (lunchtime) and then in the evening, versus first thing in the morning.
 
Discussion starter · #8 ·
Taking them to the vet is not a bad idea, BUT what you are experiencing is not that uncommon. It is still a good idea to rule out anything medical (tapeworm, heartworm, etc.).

But in the meantime, here's what I would recommend:

1) Bump up to at least Purina One if not proplan. You can still get purina one at the grocery store, so it's at least convenient.
2) Break up feedings into twice a day if you aren't already... For thin dogs (we have one right now, same age as your's. Male that is just growing like a weed), we'll do 2.5 cups in the am and 4 cups in the pm. That seems to work for us. It seems that if you do it all in one sitting, the digestive system doesn't work as efficiently... Just my observation, NOT scientific.
3) If you're looking for a bargain weightgaining supplement, go with corn oil... You can add 2-3 tablespoons with their food. Many years ago -- and it's been a while, although I used to share this all the time so my memory isn't quite as good -- Auburn did a study of various oils and found that corn oil was the one that was best retained as fat.
4) I would wait to switch to adult food until you have him at a good weight.

And finally:
1) check his stools. If they are firm and don't have any unidentified objects in them, that's a good sign.
2) check his coat - is it shiny and healthy looking?
Been checking stool and most of the time its firm with nothing foreign in it. But right after feeding (once a day) its usually runny(ish) so that may be true about the digestive tract not working as well with just one big feeding. Ill look into switching to the Purina you mentioned if i remember right it isn't that much more expensive. Thanks Kristie!

PS just checked Purina One at petsmart and its 6 dollars more so ill be switching to that and hopefully they do better.
 
http://www.nzymes.com/product_bacpak_plus_fortified.htm

I talked a local groomer into carrying the BacPak N-zymes locally so we get the 400g jar for only ~$32 or 33 (save big time on shipping this way). This jar lasts me ~5 mos for 5-6 dogs as you only have to use 1/8 teas a day. Well worth the cost due to the savings in dog food.

Eildydar, the difference in digestibility between low and high quality food is huge. You can afford to buy a "more expensive" food if you feed far less... and almost w/o a doubt, you will. There are lots of fillers in cheap food. Garbage in, garbage out, as they say. I only feed 2-3 cups per day to my dogs... split betw am/pm meals. But that said, before I was using the n-zymes, Rosa ate up to 5 C of the Euk Lg Breed puppy when she was your pups' age so metabolism does have a lot to do w/ it. I switched over to Canidae (100 kcals more per cup) at about 12-14 mos w/ her if I remember right and immediately was able to decrease the amount fed. As Kristie said, feeding 2x a day is far better on the digestion. Think about what happens if you only gorge yourself once a day. I bet your digestion isn't as good either!:eek:
 
You can also feed a little yogurt for the enzymes/probiotics. Mine love any flavor :) When I'm starting to wean puppies, I mix the plain or vanilla in with the food. I had much less runny poop at the start when they are transitioning to the food.

Splitting to two feedings is also a good thing, especially for puppies. Younger puppies should have three and sometimes four feedings a day.

Puppies do go through a stage where they eat a lot more than they will as an adult. I second the Purina One or ProPlan would be even better if you want to stick with the Purina products. Purina was offering a Purina One challenge thing that they would send you a coupon to try the food. Also keep your eye on Sunday papers...they will often have coupons in there for the Purina One. Most manufacturers will send you coupons periodically once you are on their list.

http://purinaone.com/30DayChallenge/Default.aspx
 
Discussion starter · #17 ·
'nother question. I went out and purchased Purina One like you said and looking at the protein and stuff, most of it is very close to the Purina puppy chow. Is it just that the ingredients where they are getting the nutrients are better for them? I did notice that the first ingredient is chicken so that is good i guess right?!
 
'nother question. I went out and purchased Purina One like you said and looking at the protein and stuff, most of it is very close to the Purina puppy chow. Is it just that the ingredients where they are getting the nutrients are better for them? I did notice that the first ingredient is chicken so that is good i guess right?!
Better than corn or other grain! There are numerous charts on dog food quality and what to look for. Meat (chicken, etc) in the dry (meal) form is generally better than in the whole form due to it still having water, which adds to the weight of the product. The ingredients are listed in order of weight in the bag. I'll explain in person, way easier. ;)
 
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