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What truly amazes me is the gullibility of the American public. Obama says that he will give a tax cut to 90% of the population (including the 38% that do not pay taxes) while increasing taxes for corporations and individuals receiving more that $250,000 per year. Since most corporations are publicly owned and the owners (the public) expect a return on their investment, any tax increase will be passed on to the consumer. For example, if you increase the taxes on a company like Exxon-Mobile, they will increase the price you pay for fuel. If the price of fuel goes up, you will pay more for groceries because of the cost of raising and delivering the crops. In fact, you will pay more for everything that depends on transportation to get it to market. You will also pay more for petroleum dependent energy, etc. The list goes on and on. The real question, the question that the public is NOT asking, is: Will my tax cut pay for the increase in the price of everything that I purchase?
 
"Ol Chicago slim is a fraud and already a lame duck; even the moderate to conservative democrats (you don't see them lined up behind BHO, Reid, or Pelosi do you?) in Congress are shocked at what they have witnessed from this and the gullibility of so many people across the country. The old dem guard will block him early and often. If the dem lovers out there really wanted a more effective dem president, they would have been much better off with Hilllary (do your home work on this guy....get your lazy butt off the couch and quit watching TV). I suggest to you that on Nov 4th, it is quite possible that you suckers may have pissed away $650 million and will never get your govie handouts.:(
I find this really interesting because many of the new Democrats are very conservative. They are from districts that may not take kindly to Obamas trying to govern from the left and this puts them at risk in the next election cycle. How they handle this, if he should win, could be very interesting.
 
The absense of even rough agreement on the facts puts every opinion on equal footing and therefore eliminates the basis for thoughtful compromise. It rewards not those who are right, but those ... who can make their arguements most loudly, most frequently, most obstinately, and with the best backdrop.
Can anyone tell me who said that?
I added the dots to the above quote for you...


"Today’s politician understands this. He may not lie, but he understands that there is no great reward in store for those who speak the truth, particularly when the truth may be complicated. The truth may cause consternation; the truth will be attacked; the media won’t have the patience to sort out all the facts...”
;-)
 
Interesting article appeared in local paper. Written by small business owner. Shows to me how much mis-information is out there. Way too many sound bites coming from both sides. A lot like many of the political threads that get started on this site. If its my opinion then it must be true. Again this was not writen by me.


I own a small business that generates $2.5 - $3.0 millon gross revenue a year. Business is orginized in what is calles a "subchapter S" which means profits flow through to family income. So our personal income is what we pay ourseves for running the business plus any net profit the business makes.

Wages paid to employees plus payroll taxes paid on employee wages( Social Security, Medicare and some other small taxes like unemployment and workmans comp) are what is taken out of gross profit to arrive at net profit.

Bottom line: For my small business which employs 16 people we don't generate $250,000 in net profit. Under Obama's plan I would not pay any additional tax. If I saw that I might be affected we would work to minimize our tax exposure by putting away $40,000 in a 401k or providing our employees a year end bonus. We might do it by reinvesting in the business. There are always investments that small business needs and those investments would go towards reducing there tax exposure.

Obama has proposed a $3500 tax credit for each new employee I hire. A tax credit directly reduces my taxes. A tax write-off reduces only my net profit. So that $3500 tax credit is like a $10,000 tax write-off if your in that 35% bracket. Now that is a deal.

Someone like me who is in the middle zone can never seem to excape paying payrtoll tax(not paid on income over $102,000) nor do I have extra money laying around to invest in something other than my business. Someone who earns $500,000 pays the same payroll tax as me, 15%(7.5% for the employee and 7.5% for the employer, which in my case is both). So if I earn $102,000 I pay $15,300 in payroll tax. If I earn $500,000 I pay the same $15,300 in payroll tax. Now this is truly a regressive tax.

Further If I had a bunch of money to invest I could earn capital gains. Capital gains tax is 15% and there is no payroll tax on capital gains. So if your able to earn $500,000 through capital gains rather than wages your tax is $75,000. Now if you earn $500,000 in wages your tax is $190,750 (35% income tax and 15% payroll tax on income up to $102,000)

True patriots should stop complaining about paying there fair share and stop putting the burden on the poor and middle class today and our children and grandchildrens tomorrow.
 
What will Obama do for us??

Bring the country from it's knees to it's belly.

I think the mess the current administration caused is going to result in the country going to it's belly regardless of who wins on Nov 4.

I for one can't vote for and reward the candidate who claims the fundamentals of the economy are strong; and brags or USED to brag that he supported and voted for Bush's policies[which have brought the country to its knees] over 90% of the time

Tip of the iceberg regards
 
Interesting article appeared in local paper. Written by small business owner. Shows to me how much mis-information is out there. Way too many sound bites coming from both sides. A lot like many of the political threads that get started on this site. If its my opinion then it must be true. Again this was not writen by me.

The interesting thing to me is the fact that I have not heard a peep from McCain stating that he will eliminate the progressive tax structure in this country.
 
McCains new theme song by the Beatles "I'm a looser."

PS Bullgator please take me off your span list.

Thansk, rm
Not sure what your talking about...span list? Spam list?? You are not on any of my list that I know of
 
Interesting article appeared in local paper. Written by small business owner. Shows to me how much mis-information is out there. Way too many sound bites coming from both sides. A lot like many of the political threads that get started on this site. If its my opinion then it must be true. Again this was not writen by me.


I own a small business that generates $2.5 - $3.0 millon gross revenue a year. Business is orginized in what is calles a "subchapter S" which means profits flow through to family income. So our personal income is what we pay ourseves for running the business plus any net profit the business makes.

Wages paid to employees plus payroll taxes paid on employee wages( Social Security, Medicare and some other small taxes like unemployment and workmans comp) are what is taken out of gross profit to arrive at net profit.

Bottom line: For my small business which employs 16 people we don't generate $250,000 in net profit. Under Obama's plan I would not pay any additional tax. If I saw that I might be affected we would work to minimize our tax exposure by putting away $40,000 in a 401k or providing our employees a year end bonus. We might do it by reinvesting in the business. There are always investments that small business needs and those investments would go towards reducing there tax exposure.

Obama has proposed a $3500 tax credit for each new employee I hire. A tax credit directly reduces my taxes. A tax write-off reduces only my net profit. So that $3500 tax credit is like a $10,000 tax write-off if your in that 35% bracket. Now that is a deal.

Someone like me who is in the middle zone can never seem to excape paying payrtoll tax(not paid on income over $102,000) nor do I have extra money laying around to invest in something other than my business. Someone who earns $500,000 pays the same payroll tax as me, 15%(7.5% for the employee and 7.5% for the employer, which in my case is both). So if I earn $102,000 I pay $15,300 in payroll tax. If I earn $500,000 I pay the same $15,300 in payroll tax. Now this is truly a regressive tax.

Further If I had a bunch of money to invest I could earn capital gains. Capital gains tax is 15% and there is no payroll tax on capital gains. So if your able to earn $500,000 through capital gains rather than wages your tax is $75,000. Now if you earn $500,000 in wages your tax is $190,750 (35% income tax and 15% payroll tax on income up to $102,000)

True patriots should stop complaining about paying there fair share and stop putting the burden on the poor and middle class today and our children and grandchildrens tomorrow.
WOW! That was written my a liberal for sure. He leaves out a lot along the way but whatever you choose to believe.
 
I think the mess the current administration caused is going to result in the country going to it's belly regardless of who wins on Nov 4.

I for one can't vote for and reward the candidate who claims the fundamentals of the economy are strong; and brags or USED to brag that he supported and voted for Bush's policies[which have brought the country to its knees] over 90% of the time

Tip of the iceberg regards
You fell for it. Woohoo!:rolleyes:
THE CURRENT ADMIN(meaning Bush) DID NOT CAUSE THIS "MESS" and anyone who thinks so has their head in the sand falling for the soundbytes.
 
I think the mess the current administration caused is going to result in the country going to it's belly regardless of who wins on Nov 4.

Tip of the iceberg regards
Unfortunately, presidents inherit the residual effects of the prior administartion. With just a little reading (books or even magazines), you could quickly discover that the current financial crisis is caused by the massive failure of sub-prime loans. The volume of sub-prime loans which have flooded the market in the past 10 years is the result of deregulation. There really is no doubt who deregulated the housing market...it was Bill Clinton (not GWB).

Just so you know who really caused the belly flop...
 
Have we as American's become scared of our shadows? Good think our dogs aren't. Maybe we should watch them a little closer and take their lead on this one. Who knows, maybe we'll learn something. They eat and drink from the same bowl, crap in the same area, enjoy the same games, and will defend you at their own peril. They might be yellow, black, brown, white, red, etc. but they don't seem to know it. They'll still lick eachother's butts and not think twice about it. At the end of the day, they work together and get the job done.

The crap floating around today makes you long for yesteryear when we still knew our neighbor, had block parties, and could discuss our views over a beer without the self-righteous attitude.
 
Have we as American's become scared of our shadows? Good think our dogs aren't. Maybe we should watch them a little closer and take their lead on this one. Who knows, maybe we'll learn something. They eat and drink from the same bowl, crap in the same area, enjoy the same games, and will defend you at their own peril. They might be yellow, black, brown, white, red, etc. but they don't seem to know it. They'll still lick eachother's butts and not think twice about it. At the end of the day, they work together and get the job done.

The crap floating around today makes you long for yesteryear when we still knew our neighbor, had block parties, and could discuss our views over a beer without the self-righteous attitude.
Interesting!!!:cool:
 
achiro,
Please let us know what was left out of the article you said was so liberal. I was unaware that math could be liberal. I thought it was just cold, hard facts and numbers.

That is part of the problem...too many people think that way.
Figures don’t lie, but liars figure….
Or maybe liars, damn liars, and statistics……

Reminds me of a joke someone sent the other day, maybe posted here as well.

A guy dies and goes to heaven. He gets there and St. Peter is standing in front of the gates. He tells the guy that before he can come in he has to spend one day in hell and one in heaven and then decide where he wants to spend eternity. St. Pete then sends him off to hell. When the guy gets there it is just gorgeous, all lush and green. There is a magnificent country club and all of his buddies playing golf on the most spectacular course anyone has ever seen. He spends the day playing golf and enjoying his old friends and being served by the most beautiful women ever. The next day he returns to heaven and finds it too is very nice with old friends floating around on clouds and playing harps. At the end of the day in heaven St. Peter ask him to make his choice. He tells Peter that while Heaven is nice he really, really liked hell and that is where he wanted to spend eternity. St. Peter sends him off to hell. When he gets there all his buddies are being tortured and burning in fiery brimstone. The smell of burning flesh is over powering and the agonizing screams are all he can hear. Satan comes along and the guy ask “what happened, yesterday this was paradise and a beautiful country club”… Satan answers and says “yesterday you were undecided, today you voted”.

Careful what you wish for they are all full of crap when running. What ever happened to the belief that if it sounds too good to be true…….
 
A guy dies and goes to heaven. He gets there and St. Peter is standing in front of the gates. He tells the guy that before he can come in he has to spend one day in hell and one in heaven and then decide where he wants to spend eternity. St. Pete then sends him off to hell. When the guy gets there it is just gorgeous, all lush and green. There is a magnificent country club and all of his buddies playing golf on the most spectacular course anyone has ever seen. He spends the day playing golf and enjoying his old friends and being served by the most beautiful women ever. The next day he returns to heaven and finds it too is very nice with old friends floating around on clouds and playing harps. At the end of the day in heaven St. Peter ask him to make his choice. He tells Peter that while Heaven is nice he really, really liked hell and that is where he wanted to spend eternity. St. Peter sends him off to hell. When he gets there all his buddies are being tortured and burning in fiery brimstone. The smell of burning flesh is over powering and the agonizing screams are all he can hear. Satan comes along and the guy ask “what happened, yesterday this was paradise and a beautiful country club”… Satan answers and says “yesterday you were undecided, today you voted”.

Careful what you wish for they are all full of crap when running. What ever happened to the belief that if it sounds too good to be true…….
How true! As long as the populace can be kept HOPE'n, the One has a free ride.
 
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