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Thanks for the clarification Mike! :D

I've only been to one National, the one in Oakdale a few years back, and I worked it for two days and then had to go back to work, so I didn't actually SEE alot of dog work or the tests. I think I saw one test, a land blind, and maybe 4 or 5 dogs run. :(
Thank You! for your help. The workers at all field trials including nationals are the backbone of our great sport. Young boy's and girls throwing birds all weekend for all of us sometimes in the rain or 100 degree weather is something I have to admit would not have appealed to me as a youth. The National grounds committee's in particular go so unfortunately unnoticed and give two full weeks of their time making everything look so smooth but work so very hard to achieve. I'm very proud to be a part of our sport, nothing like it in the world.
 
Because we already have problems with the number of entries on a weekend trial. Suppose the first x number of trials only will qualify you for a national....then all the entries are going to be "top heavy"...people rushing to enter those first trials to possibly qualify. That's going to really put pressure on clubs and workers.

Then, once the number runs out, sure some people will still run but it won't be the same if your points don't even count to qualify you for the national. Or worse, suppose people work during a school year and can only run summer trials? They can't ever qualify because they can't run in the beginning of the year?

So to me, it seems it's not fair to the trial worker bees or the everyday work-for-a-living bee either. :rolleyes:
You got it right Sister!!!
 
"...people rushing to enter those first trials to possibly qualify
I did not mean to imply that chronologically,only the first first (x) number of Trials results would count, rather that the dog would have a finite number of trials in which to qualify.

I hope this helps.

john
 
I did not mean to imply that chronologically,only the first first (x) number of Trials results would count, rather that the dog would have a finite number of trials in which to qualify.

I hope this helps.

john
Respectfully, are you kidding!!! Do you realize how diificult it is to win an open against the best dogs. This aint no hunt test against a standard. Respectfully.
 
Do you realize how diificult it is to win an open ..............This aint no hunt test against a standard. Respectfully.
Are we taking about a Hunt test here. What are you infering ?

You might want to go back to page one and read Teds question.

john
 
Are we taking about a Hunt test here. What are you infering ?

You might want to go back to page one and read Teds question.

john
I think you need to read the entire thread. I know what Ted posted. I have stated my opinion at length. It is very clear what I am stating. The thought of limiting the number of trials necessary to qualify for a National be it Open or Amateur is ridiculous. Right out of the handbook of what the MN had to do with little success at reducing their qualifiers as is reflected in their 400+ qualifiers. Lets also make something perfectly clear I advocate and support all forms of retriever events, hunt tests included so don't even go there. Your idea in my opinion is in a word lame!
 
Your idea in my opinion is in a word lame!
Putting aside your opinion on the necessity of limiting entries at the National for a moment.

If you were assigned the unpleasant task of having to to do so.

How would you do it in a way that was not in your words "LAME" ????

john
 
Putting aside your opinion on the necessity of limiting entries at the National for a moment.

If you were assigned the unpleasant task of having to to do so.

How would you do it in a way that was not in your words "LAME" ????

john
If one would have to limit entries at the National would it not be classified as a Championship stake?
 
John I have made it very clear throughout this thread what my opinion is. Please take the time to read my posts. My opinion is very clear from my beginning post and what in my opinion would be helpful. Having said all this this National is right on time to finish by mid afternoon even with the weather delays. A testament to the hard work of the judges and workers.
 
John I have made it very clear throughout this thread what my opinion is. Please take the time to read my posts. My opinion is very clear from my beginning post and what in my opinion would be helpful. Having said all this this National is right on time to finish by mid afternoon even with the weather delays. A testament to the hard work of the judges and workers.
I have taken the time to read the entire thread and have to agree, you have made your opinion on part one of Teds question very clear but............. In your 21 posts you have yet to address part two of Teds two part question.

So I repeat my request: "Putting aside your opinion on the necessity of limiting entries at the National for a moment.If you were assigned the unpleasant task of having to to do so. How would you do it in a way that was not in your words "LAME" ???

FWIW I am on record on this forum as being against restricting entries in any fashion in any FT event be it Open Am or Q at the weekend level.

My feelings on the Nationals and their limiting of qualifying points to member in good standing club trials is also archived.

I hope you don't get your win at a Trial given by a club whose National dues are in arrears ;-).

john
 
John Ted's question indeed did have two questions. The first being should we? My opinion is definitely not as I have expressed and why I believe so. The second being If so (meaning I agree) then how? I don't agree so there is no reason to address a hypothetical question that I believe not to hold validity now or anytime in the near future. If at sometime my opinion were to prove wrong I have made mention in my posts that the addition of conflicting trials where large entries (100 dogs consistently year after year) have necessitated. There have been, in my opinion, conflicting trials created to eliminate competition. Just as blogs in past have advocated owner handler qualifyings to eliminate competing against pros. In my opinion anything done to create an easier path to a qualified all age dog let alone a Field Champion does an injustice to our sport. Unfortunately not every dog is created equal. All dogs don't deserve to be Field Champions nor do all competitors deserve to run Nationals. Sorry if thats sounds blunt, just my opinion.
 
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Mike

Is there really any need to call those who disagree with you - lame? Or ridiculous?

Ted
 
Mike

Is there really any need to call those who disagree with you - lame? Or ridiculous?

Ted
Ted I said that the idea of increasing the National qualification is Ridiculous!
I said the idea of limiting the number of trials to qualify to be lame!
Just because the question/idea came from you doesn't mean I think your ridiculous just as I don't think John is lame for his idea.
Don't put words in my mouth.
 
Continuing Ted since your sensitive. If I was having a conversation with you and you said I think we should change the National qualifications I would look you in the eye and tell you "that is ridiculous" are you telling me you would infer I had called you ridiculous. I think not, you would tell me why you thought as you did and I would counter as to why I disagreed. Called conversation or debate. I know you are a very intelligent man and can see the difference. Check my posts if I wanted to call someone ridiculous or lame I would have proceeded it by "You are" in both cases. Very common practice when insulting someone's person.
 
Maybe it should be added that to qualify a dog for a national. The owner or handler of a dog has to actually work at a weekend trial.
Throwing gas on the fire regards...

Heck of a good idea - but....what if the handler is a pro with a string of entries??? Does that mean the owner has to attend the National to work?
 
Heck of a good idea - but....what if the handler is a pro with a string of entries??? Does that mean the owner has to attend the National to work?
The Arthurs wouldn't have a problem there...they put on two trials a year at Central Savannah and work their rears off at 'em.

Plus aren't there other PRTA trials and do the pros work those?

I'm NOT advocating this idea, just throwing in some observations ;)
 
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Continuing Ted since your sensitive. If I was having a conversation with you and you said I think we should change the National qualifications I would look you in the eye and tell you "that is ridiculous" are you telling me you would infer I had called you ridiculous. I think not, you would tell me why you thought as you did and I would counter as to why I disagreed. Called conversation or debate. I know you are a very intelligent man and can see the difference. Check my posts if I wanted to call someone ridiculous or lame I would have proceeded it by "You are" in both cases. Very common practice when insulting someone's person.
Mike

I have expressed no opinions on this subject.
I don't have a dog in this fight.

So, I am hardly being sensitive about your being critical towards me, as you seem to believe

I just think that calling someone - or their ideas - lame or riduculous is poor etiquette.

Nor do I believe that such labeling - of either people or their ideas - encourages discussion.

Obviously, you disagree

Ted
 
The Arthurs wouldn't have a problem there...they put on two trials a year at Central Savannah and work their rears off at 'em.

Plus aren't there other PRTA trials and do the pros work those?

I'm NOT advocating this idea, just throwing in some observations ;)
Maybe PRTA should be the National Open host club each year using their regional members. Club members put in trials and run their dogs each weekend. "Just throwing out an observation."

Tim
 
Mike
I just think that calling someone - or their ideas - lame or riduculous is poor etiquette.

Nor do I believe that such labeling - of either people or their ideas - encourages discussion.
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Really, :rolleyes:

Mr. Mike has earned many a good dog men and woman's respect on the w coast. I am not a big fan and do not know him personally, but he is a well rounded FT guy, and I would listen to anything he had to share.

side note Mr Bart said weekend trial:D
 
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