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Chuck and Mel have been involved in AKC Licensed Field Trials for more than a decade. They have judged, marshalled, and served in every capacity at weekend trials including Field Trial Secretary. They own 3 titled dogs, one currently with Joe pro and Mel competes regularly in both the Open and the Amateur.

Chuck is employed in management by a well known National Corporation so during the past decade they have moved twice due to his promotions and hence were heavily involved with 2 different AKC Licensed Retriever Clubs in 2 different states.

Their most recent move was to a large metropolitan area where they had previously lived. They met some local retriever people and secured a rather large parcel of land very suitable for both training and holding field trials. The landowner is very gracious in allowing use of the property and Chuck and Mel have been very gracious in inviting others to train with them.

Their small training group formed a club and decided that they would like to host a field trial so they approached a regional retriever association about assisting them with securing a date for their first event. This was all done in due course and the event went off without a hitch specifically due the efforts of Mel and Chuck and their group and some volunteer assistance from the local area. Absent was significant assistance from the regional retriever association (except for assistance with the AKC).

Their Club decided that they really didn't need the regional retriever association but preferred Licensed Club status so that (among other things) they would have a club vote on proposed rule changes to the RAC.

They prepared a rather impressive application including the dog resumes of it's members and submitted the application to AKC. They were surprised when AKC rejected their application due to fact that their membership did not include 20 family units and that some members were also members of other area AKC Licensed Field Trial Clubs (not surprising since this is one of the larger metropolitan areas in the country).

Not to be deterred they recruited more members especially ones not affiliated with other clubs and resubmitted their application. They were again surprised when AKC said that they would grant them provisional club status but that they must hold at least one Sanctioned event before they could hold a licensed one or they could again apply through the regional retriever association. Perplexed and somewhat discouraged they appealed having decided that if AKC finds their club unfit to host an AKC Licensed Field Trial they will just abandon the entire project.

In your opinion does this group appear qualified, should they be granted AKC Licensed Club status, and should they be allowed to host a Licensed Field Trial without hosting one or more Sanctioned events?
 
From the AKC website http://www.akc.org/rules/policymanual.cfm?page=3
(I added the underline below):


Accelerated New Club Sanctioned Match Programs (Adopted November 1991; amended March 1997 and November 2005)
Performance clubs, which meet the usual AKC accreditation requirements and are comprised of a large percentage of members with extensive background (ten or more years) in the performance event the club was formed to serve, can have their match programs accelerated (March, 1997). Those clubs will also be able to hold a license performance event on a probationary basis (November, 2005) provided a letter is received from the directors of a license club in an adjacent area or a parent club agreeing to mentor the new club. The new club's members will be entirely responsible for all facets of the trial and an AKC field representative will observe the event, or if an AKC field representative is not in attendance, AKC will designate an official from the mentoring club to submit a report on the event.
Has the new club looked into the possiblity of a licensed trial on a probationary basis as underlined above? Has the VP of Performance Events been involved in the club's request?
 
Went through the same thing about 1 1/2 years ago. After jumping threw all the hoops for the AKC and having them walk us through the whole process. About a year long ordeal, applied for club status under the so called Accelerated program. Had a membership of 30 present field trial people with various amounts of time in the FT game anywhere from 2-25 years. We also had a club willing to mentor ours during our first trial. We were promptly refused club status from the AKC. There reasoning was that there was already to many clubs in the area. Go figure.

I was under the impression that one of the reasons they started the Accelerated program was to help with the entry problem and to aid in conflicting trials. Now I hear that the AKC doesn't really like the idea of conflicting trials. Guess they really didn't care about problems of the clubs after all.
 
If I followed the events correctly they want sanctioned status after hosting only one event and because they have a group of high dollar well heeled individuals with friends in high places and they already want to make changes to the RAC.....if I understand the narrative correctly it sounds to me that they have an alternate hidden agenda, but I am not quite sure what that agenda is...then again I might have completely misunderstood the whole situation...
 
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if I understand the narrative correctly it sounds to me that they have an alternate hidden agenda, .
nope, nothing sinister, no hidden agendas, but they are getting weary of jumping through hoops
 
If I followed the events correctly they want sanctioned status after hosting only one event and because they have a group of high dollar well heeled individuals with friends in high places and they already want to make changes to the RAC.....if I understand the narrative correctly it sounds to me that they have an alternate hidden agenda, but I am not quite sure what that agenda is...then again I might have completely misunderstood the whole situation...
I believe you have to be a Licensed club to have vote on the propossed rule changes by the RAC. All Licensed Clubs vote on these changes. All members of these clubs vote as one.
 
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Guess they really didn't care about problems of the clubs after all.
DING DING DING........ladies and gentlemen I think we have a winner....

BTW Barry, welcome back Cheyenne Retriever Club..:)
 
Now I hear that the AKC doesn't really like the idea of conflicting trials.

I haven't heard or read this, but it wouldn't surprise me if they think it will somehow reduce overall entries and revenue (through event and recording fees paid to AKC).
 
DING DING DING........ladies and gentlemen I think we have a winner....

BTW Barry, welcome back Cheyenne Retriever Club..:)
Thank you. It's been a long drive to get to this point. The people in this area have worked hard to get to where we are now. Hopefully we will be able to pull it off. So far we have been approved for the Spring and we also have a Fall trial planned. Some want to also put on a hunt test so that's in the works. We have some good people here that are willing to role up their sleeves and that's pretty cool.
 
I was in the St. Louis Lab club and went through the process of doing shows, hunt tests and then field trials.

I filled out the form for our first sanctioned trial and had to call them back to find out the status and I was told that I was missing something. How about calling me or emailing me with this info instead of leaving me waiting. I put my phone# and email on the form.

Instead of having clubs jump through hoops and go on a scavenger hunt for documents, they should be helping clubs. What are we paying them for again?????

The AKC reminds me of the Knights that say Neek (from Monty Python) and they want a shrubbery. :mad:
 
EDA wrote:
Perplexed and somewhat discouraged they appealed having decided that if AKC finds their club unfit to host an AKC Licensed Field Trial they will just abandon the entire project.
Boy,,, I sure hope they don't!! They've worked too hard and have come too far to bag it now..

So AKC's usual "CF" bureaucracy is a big surprise?? :rolleyes:

I'd quit trying to fight it with appeals and so forth. So the club didn't get exactly what they wanted. Just have the stupid sanctioned and be done with it I say.

But that's me.... Been there done that. ;-)

Angie
 
-Host a trial through the regional association...

-Charge $150 for open entries

-Buy a boat

-Throw a boat bird in Skeeter's Slough for the first boat bird in Valley View history.

Best Fishes,

Ken
 
EDA wrote:


Boy,,, I sure hope they don't!! They've worked too hard and have come too far to bag it now..

So AKC's usual "CF" bureaucracy is a big surprise?? :rolleyes:

I'd quit trying to fight it with appeals and so forth. So the club didn't get exactly what they wanted. Just have the stupid sanctioned and be done with it I say.

But that's me.... Been there done that. ;-)

Angie
Our sanctioned trial was over in one day with very limited entries - it was in the summer so it had to be. The AKC just wants to see if the group can pull it off and fill out all of the paperwork...it really was not a big deal...
 
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. The AKC just wants to see if the group can pull it off and fill out all of the paperwork...it really was not a big deal...
they have already done that many times for licensed field trials...:confused:
 
Yes...but not in the group that they are now forming...AKC really doesn't know if this new club can do it. They should be smart enough to limit entries and get what they need without alot of hassle...

If it is a matter of pride, they might as well give up (cause pride won't cut it with the AKC requirements)! Our club put on events with over 300 entries and 2 events for over 8 years but we still had to do it...
 
There are lot of bad things you can say about AKC, but at least thier consistant. Our local dog club has been putting on NSTRA trials for 30 years. Membership of 90 families. 3 of those are members of a club 300 miles north of us. AKC first denied our club status because the club wasn't comprised of members not affiliated with another club, so we "removed" those members from the roster. Then AKC came back and denied our club status because they didn't like our name. (contained the "hunting") We created a new name "Green Valley Pointing Dog Club" to fullfill that requirement and re-applied. They then came back and didn't like our club by-laws, so we had update those, and re-apply. This whole process took just about a year. Then they required we do a sanctioned test even though we had showed and demonstrated the ability to put on FT each and every year for 25 years. They wouldn’t accept the NSTRA trial examples we provided. In fact they wanted us to remove affiliation from NSTRA all together. In the end we kept the NSTRA affiliation under the old club name, and the new name is under AKC. They tried to bitch about that but we told them to suck eggs, we had a unique name, unique by laws and the state of Oregon recognized both clubs. After 2.5 years we held our first licensed trial. The entries are half what we get with NSTRA and we barely break even on the trial. Hard to justify all the crap they put us through.

/Paul
 
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Yes...but not in the group that they are now forming...AKC really doesn't know if this new club can do it. They should be smart enough to limit entries and get what they need without alot of hassle...
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they hosted an AKC licensed field trial less than 1 year ago, they've done more than they would have to do with a sanctioned trial, it's not about pride, it's about principle, frustration, and the next hoop they will be required to jump through

In AKC's original rejection it was suggested that they just join an existing club in the area but the one they suggested holds it's field trial 90 miles (and in another state) from where they live, there are indeed 3 clubs whose event is closer to them than that. I guess if you live in Manhattan you have no concept of urban (suburban) sprawl...... :confused:
 
In AKC's original rejection it was suggested that they just join an existing club in the area but the one they suggested holds it's field trial 90 miles (and in another state) from where they live, there are indeed 3 clubs whose event is closer to them than that. I guess if you live in Manhattan you have no concept of urban (suburban) sprawl...... :confused:
That part blew my mind. Having followed Mel and Claire (or whatever names you used) AKC ordeal since the beginning, all i can say is they are MUCH MUCH more diligent and hard headed than i am - i would have given up months ago. Goodie for them and i hope this works out.

Red River got club status in no time, but S. OK met much of the same red tape with AKC.... S. OK found a different solution, and all will be well... but what changed between Red River and these other two new clubs?

SM
 
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