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I'm not sure that it is about how qualified any group is (they probably are more qualified than many clubs wthat currently are holding events)...along with FT santioned club status comes the right to be a voting member with AKC...the hoops are to select and control those groups that can become sanctioned FT clubs and potentially a voting club (just my opinion).

The regional association eliminates the establishment of a club and all of hoops required for that...an easier solution that was hashed out with AKC to solve the need for more trials
 
About a 100 miles from us a new club started and they went thru all kinds of BS. These folks are not new to the game and were putting on or help put on trials already.

I thought the idea was to create new clubs loosen the milage restrictions and provide conflicting trials.

Its prolly easier to get a gaming license
 
The regional association eliminates the establishment of a club and all of hoops required for that...an easier solution that was hashed out with AKC to solve the need for more trials
Not when the association has it's own agenda for clubs - relating to vendor selection - which is a big part of why Michelle and Carl sought AKC status and have decided that not having a trial is the lesser evil.

SM
 
This sounds like what the AKC put our Minnesota club through. Mike Liosis sits in New York City deciding on new clubs while Bill Speck's Performance Division sits in Raleigh. We talk to Speck explaining our problem that we need a trial date to help support our retriever grounds we get Speck's approval and the club that conflicts with the date. Mike Liosis in New York City says there isn't a need for another club you have too many members that belong to other clubs. Everybody belongs to the clubs for the newsletter. This has been ongoing since 1976 and the club was incorporated in 1954.

As Angie said this is the Cluster F___ extroidanaire.
 
Not when the association has it's own agenda for clubs - relating to vendor selection - which is a big part of why Michelle and Carl sought AKC status and have decided that not having a trial is the lesser evil.

SM
I can't speak to that issue...but to form a club without going through the hoops (what are they all? incorporation, bylaws, establishing the need if there is another club near (no matter how bad or good), sanctioned events, insurance, etc...it is all in what a group is willing to go through to legitimize their organization...
 
I can't speak to that issue...but to form a club without going through the hoops (what are they all? incorporation, bylaws, establishing the need if there is another club near (no matter how bad or good), sanctioned events, insurance, etc...it is all in what a group is willing to go through to legitimize their organization...
They have gone above and beyond everything AKC has requested and have completed all the necessary steps in a very impressive manner. But AKC keeps coming back with some new reason why they can't be a club.

SM
 
They prepared a rather impressive application including the dog resumes of it's members and submitted the application to AKC. They were surprised when AKC rejected their application due to fact that their membership did not include 20 family units and that some members were also members of other area AKC Licensed Field Trial Clubs (not surprising since this is one of the larger metropolitan areas in the country).

Not to be deterred they recruited more members especially ones not affiliated with other clubs and resubmitted their application. They were again surprised when AKC said that they would grant them provisional club status but that they must hold at least one Sanctioned event before they could hold a licensed one or they could again apply through the regional retriever association.

In your opinion does this group appear qualified, should they be granted AKC Licensed Club status, and should they be allowed to host a Licensed Field Trial without hosting one or more Sanctioned events?
When we applied to move our club to Baton Rouge, we too had to submit 20 names of club members who were not members of other area AKC Retriever Clubs. I knew that going in, so we did a membership drive to get the members enrolled and submitted all at the same time. Though we moved a club, we still had to jump through hoops. Mr. Speck helped us get it done.

If all that stands in the way of hosting AKC Licensed Trials is hosting one Sanctioned Trial, then why not have a Santioned event?

By the way our trail grounds, Lebeau Field Trial Grounds, Whiteville, La. is only 35 miles from Baton Rouge(grounds to BR airport), as the crow flies.
 
They went one step further and hosted a LICENSED event under the regional association's banner... step 2 is supposed to be AKC approval.

SM
I never did understand that Texas Assc thang and how it is able to circumvent AKC proceedure for setting up a Licensed club nor is there anything in AKC's By-laws about anyone but AKC in the driver's seat. .

I'm not convinced it is FT politics as much as the AKC is saying that this is how we do things. Dealing with Mr Speck is one thing and getting approval from Mike Liosis in a whole 'nother story! I'm thinking the AKC wants it done by the book.

Hope y'all get it done!
 
I never did understand that Texas Assc thang and how it is able to circumvent AKC proceedure for setting up a Licensed club nor is there anything in AKC's By-laws about anyone but AKC in the driver's seat. .

I'm not convinced it is FT politics as much as the AKC is saying that this is how we do things. Dealing with Mr Speck is one thing and getting approval from Mike Liosis in a whole 'nother story! I'm thinking the AKC wants it done by the book.

Hope y'all get it done!
Liosis was instrumental in setting up the association. Aycock can give more detail and insight on that subject. Speck is retired and a LOT has changed since his departure, and not for the better.

SM
 
Liosis was instrumental in setting up the association. Aycock can give more detail and insight on that subject. Speck is retired and a LOT has changed since his departure, and not for the better.

SM
Well, hang in there!

Oh, I hope none of the Texas clubs conflict with our full trial March 20-22 as we need the money. All AA stake judges are from out of state!

Entries were finalized today on EE.net which means you can enter NOW, hope to see y'all in Whiteville!

FDR
Secretary/Treasurer/FTS/Chief Bottle Washer
Cajun Riviera
 
My impression was that a regional association served the purpose of giving folks an easier path to holding a trial without having to form a club. I never interpreted it to mean that group of folks would get a fast track to club formation.

The fast track to club formation is described in the policy manual I referenced earlier in this thread. It still isn't clear to me, has the club in question considered the mentoring program and probationary licensed trial approach?

My sense is that AKC is all about the process.
 
An outsider reads this and sees a group of folks who don't want to deal with the established AKC hierarchy (the regional association) trying to form a club simply to circumvent it.

Not surprising that the AKC keeps pushing them back to the established association.

Whether the groups is qualified to run an event or not appears irrelevant to the untainted mind.
 
Not when the association has it's own agenda for clubs - relating to vendor selection - which is a big part of why Michelle and Carl sought AKC status and have decided that not having a trial is the lesser evil.

SM
Shayne,

Is the "pre-selection" of vendors still a condition of holding a trial through the association?

fp
 
Besides Chuck and Mel what other members have any FT experience to speak of.
Could be the AKC sees a depth problem as it relates to members FT experience other than Chuck and Mel's

john
 
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