I have a question about eligibility concerning the new judging requirements - for example if David apprentices an Amatuer can I still run Butthead?
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I wouldn't want to be in the position of, as an apprentice, having to listen to two judges critique my wife's handling of a dog or my/our dog's work...not to mention what my presence behind the line might do to the dog or my wife's frame of mind.
But that's just me.....
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But that's just me.....
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Are the regs about the apprenticeship program listed on line anywhere? When does it go into effect?
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I wouldn't want anyone to think anything inappropriate was going on.....I just used my husband as an example.....I wouldn't want to be in the position of, as an apprentice, having to listen to two judges critique my wife's handling of a dog or my/our dog's work...not to mention what my presence behind the line might do to the dog or my wife's frame of mind.
But that's just me.....
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Also David watching and critiqueing me does not bother me, that is what he is suppose to do even if he is not right at the line....he has to take notes on what I do right or wrong because we all wear rose colored glasses when we are handling....
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is the apprentice thing affect people who already have judged or new judges?
I have only judged minors, if i ever judge a major, will i need to apprentice? I think it is a good idea, just don't know the regs.
I have only judged minors, if i ever judge a major, will i need to apprentice? I think it is a good idea, just don't know the regs.
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I believe the AKC board approved this in May '08 and the delegate body approved it in Sept. '08
Here is a link to the language..look at pp 16 and 17
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/board_minutes/0508.pdf
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found the answer myself.
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I assume you are asking about apprenticing a minor stake on Friday and running Butthead in the Amateur on Saturday given the minor stake apprenticed is completed on Friday. That is doable under the rules. If you are asking about David apprenticing the Amateur stake and running Butthead in contention in that stake I would say NO WAY. I would have no part in that arrangement. However, I see not problem with David running Butthead as test dog in the stake being apprenticed. Not ideal but acceptable certainly if the dog is trained to the level of the stake and if being allowed ot run test dog would encourage people to apprentice.
The current rule concerning judges running a dog in other stake is:
SECTION 2 gives clubs the authority to substitute judges at the last minute without prior approval.
SECTION 3 requires judges to sign the affirmation prior to AKC approval.
SECTION 4 says decisions of the Judges shall be final in all matters relating to the field trial performance of the dogs.
Thanks to Tammy Bell for digging out and posting all approved rule changes here: http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...aining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=35288&highlight=AKC+Field+Trial+Rule+Changes
New Section 5 – to be effective 7-1-2009
One does have to connect the dots, but it would seem that the intent is that an apprentice should apprentice until the stake if completed.
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I think that would be a unfair advantage to have your spouse looking over the judges' shoulders and listening to their commentary. I know if I was the apprentice judge on a land blind and judges were folding their pages when a dog went right of the tree, i'd be very tempted to shoot a text message to the wife instructing her to stay to the lef..... an easy lef....
Regardless of the rules, i think it is a bad idea and SOMEONE will have a problem with it.
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Dang it Shayne! Now I’m gonna hear Beyoncé’s voice in my head when I read your posts "To the Left, To the Left"
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Dang Ken your musical prowess never ceases to amaze me.Dang it Shayne! Now I’m gonna hear Beyoncé’s voice in my head when I read your posts "To the Left, To the Left"
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Jim,
You have to apprentice an AA stake, not a minor for it to count toward being qualified to judge an AA stake (starting July 1, 2009).
Not to worry folks, it was just an example, I was looking for judges last night to fill our minor stakes and have a new judge lined up and had to look and see when the new rule took effect and whether or not it applied to judging minors....as far as David is concerned I told him to just go get a JAM or better in an AA stake and judge a major sometime after that and before he runs another 14 AA stakes and he would be good as far as I understood the rules, but for now he will wants some line time before judging others and then he wants to judge minors first.
This new rule will only make a difficult job even more difficult....I can think of several 'people' who have been running for a couple years which I asked to judge and they declined....it is a shame....
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You have to apprentice an AA stake, not a minor for it to count toward being qualified to judge an AA stake (starting July 1, 2009).
Not to worry folks, it was just an example, I was looking for judges last night to fill our minor stakes and have a new judge lined up and had to look and see when the new rule took effect and whether or not it applied to judging minors....as far as David is concerned I told him to just go get a JAM or better in an AA stake and judge a major sometime after that and before he runs another 14 AA stakes and he would be good as far as I understood the rules, but for now he will wants some line time before judging others and then he wants to judge minors first.
This new rule will only make a difficult job even more difficult....I can think of several 'people' who have been running for a couple years which I asked to judge and they declined....it is a shame....
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Apprenticeship should make it fun getting new major stakes judges especailly in places where the trials are hours apart. I can drive under two hours to a trial to apprentice, its a different story in some parts of the country, assuming of course that an apprentice is travelling on his own nickle like in the hunt test program.
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that's why I told my husband, get a couple minors assignments in, then go get a JAM in a AA stake (sounds easy enough, right
).....then judge soon after that.....all the new rule will do is delay getting major stake judges qualified, it is already hard enough finding judges.....maybe it will help to fill the minor stake slots???FOM
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That's because she's gotta get done being mad at herself.I just can't say anythig for a da or two
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