So whats your opinion on silver labs?
Whats your opinion on silver labs?
whitekey
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Bubba that was very clever,,, Whoda thunk it....
Gearing up for the weekend are yeeee,,, HeeHeeHee...
Cooking sherry anyone???
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And then there are grumpy old farts who know everything about everything and will go to their grave wondering why their are so many stupid ignorant people in the world. If only they had helped instead of rolling their eyes and calling names. If you don't want to help quit wasting your time reading this thread I'm sure you have other people to look down on from on high.
I'm trying to get information. Where did you go to learn about breeding dogs? I have to start somewhere, if you don't want it to be here, then where?
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I have spoke with Hollie and she has put a lot of time and effort into her lines. I have been looking at the silvers for a while now and hers look the best.
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I'm sooo excited!!!!!Just think of all the $$$$$$$$$$$$ one could make with a sire and dam that are JHs and have all the clearances.
There is your early retirement Angie.
Tim
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Silver labs, white dobies, white shepards all are disqualifications in their respective breed. For a reason. Why would you want to deal with all the difficulties that comes from poorly bred dogs that exist solely because of their color and not due to any top drawer performance, or conformation attributes.
Breeding sound dogs is already hard enough. You start with crap, you end up with crap.
You are part of the reason so many AR people want to shut breeders down.
If you truly want to be a breeder not a producer, use the vast amount of knowledge that exists on this forum to learn what a good Lab is. But, realize that if you come here with a chip on your shoulder you will not get a single thing from these amazing people.
Train your dogs (and not just a JH or CD), OFA your dogs, do CERFs, optigen, CNM and EIC testing. Then think about breeding, but not before.
Breeding sound dogs is already hard enough. You start with crap, you end up with crap.
You are part of the reason so many AR people want to shut breeders down.
If you truly want to be a breeder not a producer, use the vast amount of knowledge that exists on this forum to learn what a good Lab is. But, realize that if you come here with a chip on your shoulder you will not get a single thing from these amazing people.
Train your dogs (and not just a JH or CD), OFA your dogs, do CERFs, optigen, CNM and EIC testing. Then think about breeding, but not before.
Wow - now I feel welcome. I've used gmail exclusively for years, we change ISP's every few years and I do too much online (financial, family, recreation) to have to change it in 100+ places.
Going back to lurking now. ;-)
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My Chiro just told me he bought a Silver lab???? I said show me on the AKC sheet where you marked Silver for the color
Chiro Regards,
Aaron
Chiro Regards,
Aaron
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My biggest beef is the "English Cream Colored Goldens".
I went to a high school bb game last night and the ticket lady was telling her friend about her new puppy . So I played dumb and had to ask.
She was very proud to tell me all about her New Puppy that she bought for 1K.
"It was from those English Cream bloodlines".
I heard my daughter mumbling "Oh boy here we go".
So I let it go and went inside the gym.
Sue
I went to a high school bb game last night and the ticket lady was telling her friend about her new puppy . So I played dumb and had to ask.
She was very proud to tell me all about her New Puppy that she bought for 1K.
"It was from those English Cream bloodlines".
I heard my daughter mumbling "Oh boy here we go".
So I let it go and went inside the gym.
Sue
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Who won???My biggest beef is the "English Cream Colored Goldens".
I went to a high school bb game last night and the ticket lady was telling her friend about her new puppy . So I played dumb and had to ask.
She was very proud to tell me all about her New Puppy that she bought for 1K.
"It was from those English Cream bloodlines".
I heard my daughter mumbling "Oh boy here we go".
So I let it go and went inside the gym.
Sue
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I've had Chesapeakes since 1982 and bred an occasional litter. I was one of those breeders in the late '80s/early 90s that said, "Oh, my vet has looked at the hips and they're fine"
but since mine mostly went as gundogs or farm dogs, no one ever seemed to care. I never owned or bred a dysplastic dog that I know of, but I also didn't know back then a dog can be dysplastic with few or no symptoms. Once I found out about what a high rate of dysplasia the CBR has compared to other breeds, and a bit more about other genetic woes, I've tried to be responsible and educate myself and my puppy buyers. I've also never hesitated to seek help or advice from those with many years of experience in the breed. Probably the best form of education you can get (and it also helps you establish a network that will be invaluable to your success as a breeder) is to get involved with hunt tests, obedience or conformation shows, although the silvers would be disqualified from the latter. A word here, too about the AKC. It is merely a registry; it does NOT set the 'standard' for the various breeds nor does it police the registrations sent in. The parent club (in your case, LRC) does that. It votes on and sets the standard for the breed, just as the ACC does for Chesapeakes. It is the breed club, not the AKC, that decides what colors can be registered, but AKC does not forbid you from registering a piebald mutt or even a cat as a black, yellow or chocolate Lab--only your integrity does.
This thread is timely for me as back in December a few in the show community started spreading rumors via dog boards and email lists that I'm unethical and breed my CBRs only for color; my ads are deceitful and misleading and a few other absurd rumors such as theft and falsifying AKC records. And this even though ash is specifically mentioned as an acceptable color in the ACC's own standard. I've always had the occasional ash pup, but had quite a few ash puppies born recently, to dogs I own or bred. It's a color that I happen to like and it's always been in my lines, but the very LAST thing I would do is breed for color or any other single trait.
However, right on time to play into the hands of the show hags, my BROWN bitch whelped 10 puppies sired by a DEADGRASS MH and half were ash. I admit I've hissed up and ruffled feathers of the show hags and their minions by placing a few outrageous joke ads and renaming my ash Peakes "SilverFreaks" and even calling the very light (dilute deadgrass) cream shade "Polar Peakes" even offered up a mauve show dog in one ad (with a large disclaimer saying it was a joke). Actually SilverFreak is what we call my young ash bitch Panda as she has wild eyes, but it's caught on. There is, IMO, no such thing as bad publicity, but if you are under scrutiny you do have to dot every i and cross every t for sure.
The round about point I'm trying to make to tkgavette is, the best way to start a good breeding program is to take one or two of your best dogs and start training in some venue where you can put title(s) on the dog. Join the parent club, the LRC. Insist on clearances for all your breeding stock--for Labs this would be OFA Fair at MINIMUM on hips, preferably good or excellent, normal elbows, get the eyes examined annually and cull any animals with genetic eye defects; and get the DNA tests for CNM, EIC and PRA and breed around those issues responsibly.
Below are the 5 ash pups from my Jan. litter; I'm pretty proud of them. Because of the furor and rage the color seems to generate, along with the catty rumors, I ONLY sold these to homes that will title the dog. Yesterday, I turned down $2,000 for one of the ash females (man that was hard!) but right now it's important to me the dogs prove they're good dogs first and ash second. As for the color, I'm not worried about what the hags say as it's written right in the Chesapeake standard that it's perfectly acceptable. And I for one give thanks we don't all like the same thing!
For all you SILVERFREAK lovers: I do have an ash male available for sale--owners must agree to title him though! He's in the middle, below:
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A while back Cesar had a nasty "British White Retriever" on his show. It sure looked like a Golden to me. This was one of the times my googling skills didn't kick my butt. Sure enough, it's a "fancy fluffy" as I called it. Just a light colored golden. Kind of like how people sell "white" labs. Oh yeah, they're registered as goldens though, but these are from Britain.My biggest beef is the "English Cream Colored Goldens".
I went to a high school bb game last night and the ticket lady was telling her friend about her new puppy . So I played dumb and had to ask.
She was very proud to tell me all about her New Puppy that she bought for 1K.
"It was from those English Cream bloodlines".
I heard my daughter mumbling "Oh boy here we go".
So I let it go and went inside the gym.
Sue
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I think this site is fairly friendly to owners of silver labs. Breeders and promoters of silver labs, probably not. As an owner of a silver lab, you can't be too thin skinned and need to notice which comments are aimed at the breeding and promotion of silvers rather than the individual dogs or owners.
I don't think you'll find anyone here who doesn't think you should train, hunt and test/trial your dog if you choose.
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Welcome Slab!
if you take the color out of the picture, you'll find that everyone here is 'dog people'.... The silver lab debate has of course received a lot of attn...as to whether they are pure bred or not....the history behind the color, I do find interesting and I would love to see DNA test results not because I think they are not pure bred, but because I think there are probably instances of both......the ethical debate behind the coloration continues....
Regarding training posts/questions I always get a chuckle when people state 'blf' or 'ylm', or 'chessie' or 'golden' (of which I am guity! LOL)....sometimes it is important to know the breed, but most of the time it is not.....I don't think it makes much difference for a majority of the questions (they are still dogs in the end).....now age of the dog might, or level of training, or pedigree even, but not generally the type, color, or size of dog (when referring to training questions)....LOL
nice looking pup in your avatar, BTW.
Juli
if you take the color out of the picture, you'll find that everyone here is 'dog people'....
The silver lab debate has of course received a lot of attn...as to whether they are pure bred or not....the history behind the color, I do find interesting and I would love to see DNA test results not because I think they are not pure bred, but because I think there are probably instances of both......the ethical debate behind the coloration continues....Regarding training posts/questions I always get a chuckle when people state 'blf' or 'ylm', or 'chessie' or 'golden' (of which I am guity! LOL)....sometimes it is important to know the breed, but most of the time it is not.....I don't think it makes much difference for a majority of the questions (they are still dogs in the end).....now age of the dog might, or level of training, or pedigree even, but not generally the type, color, or size of dog (when referring to training questions)....LOL
nice looking pup in your avatar, BTW.
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Welcome to RTF! Just train and have fun with your dog. If someone has a problem with the color of your dog, well...it's their problem. If you haven't already you might want to see if there is a AKC or a UKC retriever club in your area and go and check them out.
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Welcome, Slab.... You have to realize that awhile back when blacks were the only way they culled yellows because they looked to much like hound dogs.... now they are very popular, so it may take 50 to 75 years for silvers to be excepted.
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It's nice to see another silver owner
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