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#82 ·
dove slayer said:
so whats gonna happen if a silver earns his or her fc or afc or something then what
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The same thing as what happened when the first Chessie to earn an FC (actually, the first dog of any retriever breed) was a very dark brown (liver) dog, contrary to the written standard in force at the time (liver was a disqualification). Oops.

Sadly, it was not entirely the end of using the breed's written standard as a political football. But Chessies are not alone in this.

Lisa
 
#83 ·
Here's a spin...how about, instead of having the silver Lab folks pony up their $ to do a DNA test, that anyone on this thread with a 100% purebred, registered dog (of any breed) do the test on their own dog?

Now *there's* a result I would be interested in! Have been contemplating doing this with one of my dogs since this fad all started. Since the assumption on the part of the testing company is that my dog is a mix, and we know there was frequent crossbreeding in ALL breeds until the middle of the 20th century, AND I can categorically state that I have YET to find any scientifically published paper documenting the validity of the DNA test, WHAT ARE THE ODDS my dogs will come back "tested" as some kind of mix?

Anyone? Anyone?

Lisa
 
#84 ·
Lisa Van Loo said:
Here's a spin...how about, instead of having the silver Lab folks pony up their $ to do a DNA test, that anyone on this thread with a 100% purebred, registered dog (of any breed) do the test on their own dog?

Now *there's* a result I would be interested in! Have been contemplating doing this with one of my dogs since this fad all started. Since the assumption on the part of the testing company is that my dog is a mix, and we know there was frequent crossbreeding in ALL breeds until the middle of the 20th century, AND I can categorically state that I have YET to find any scientifically published paper documenting the validity of the DNA test, WHAT ARE THE ODDS my dogs will come back "tested" as some kind of mix?

Anyone? Anyone?

Lisa
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how much does it cost. ill do it on maverick why the hell not if it aint too expensive.
 
#86 ·
Kinderdoggin said:
If the DNA results came back that said the silver dogs were 100%, would you believe them?
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If the test isn't that accurate, all it will do is give them marketing material but I'm never going to get past those Weim ears.
 
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#88 ·
So who has the authority to "improve" a breed? If Gordon setters were used to improve labs coats in the past. Why was this acceptable? Just wondering since Gage's hips are OFA Excellent. Wouldn't it be great that a side effect of "silver labs" was an overall improvement in Labrador hips?!? Isn't a Wolf or a wild dog the only true prubreed anyway.
 
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#89 ·
tkgavette@gmail.com said:
So who has the authority to "improve" a breed? If Gordon setters were used to improve labs coats in the past. Why was this acceptable? Just wondering since Gage's hips are OFA Excellent. Wouldn't it be great that a side effect of "silver labs" was an overall improvement in Labrador hips?!? Isn't a Wolf or a wild dog the only true prubreed anyway.
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I believe the authority is the breed club. They are the ones who own the breed standard. This is one of the fundamental questions in this debate. IF this was a wiem cross that was not authorized, that is the problem. That is only a problem if you are trying to coop the "brand". If you are raising designer dogs, its your neck or wallet. If you are registering them, you by default are bound by the rules since they control the registration of crosses.
 
#91 ·
gsc said:
I believe the authority is the breed club. They are the ones who own the breed standard. This is one of the fundamental questions in this debate. IF this was a wiem cross that was not authorized, that is the problem. That is only a problem if you are trying to coop the "brand". If you are raising designer dogs, its your neck or wallet. If you are registering them, you by default are bound by the rules since they control the registration of crosses.
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EXACTLY! what, if anything has the LRC issued about this?

there may be in fact 2 'silvers' we are talking about.

it is very much conceivable to me that there exists ONE natural silver/blue/whatever due to the pure 'unadulterated' genetics,

and a SECOND designer dog, bred to mimick the true. a silver counterfeit if you will.

dennis
 
#92 ·
Maybe someone missed this earlier so I'll say it again____ Send me the swaps and you can have your DNA. 2 sites later and still no response.

Again, for the record, as long as this silver dog picks up my birds and loves on my boys, I don't care who his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- grandmother/father slept with.

You want the DNA to prove your witch hunt but fail to respond when you get the invitation. Maybe I'm missing something but, hmmmm. If your scared of the truth, don't ask the questions

I may not be a veterinarian but, I know a horses arse when I see one.
 
#93 ·
sinned said:
EXACTLY! what, if anything has the LRC issued about this?
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The LRC does not accept the Silvers.

SILVER LABRADORS
There is no genetic basis for the silver gene in Labradors. The silver color is a disqualification under the Standard for the breed. The LRC does not recognize, accept or condone the sale or advertising of any Labrador as a silver Labrador. The Club opposes the practice of registering silver as chocolate.


http://www.caskie.com/INFOPRO/labrador/subpages/show_contents.php?page=Silver
 
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#94 ·
sinned said:
EXACTLY! what, if anything has the LRC issued about this?

there may be in fact 2 'silvers' we are talking about.

it is very much conceivable to me that there exists ONE natural silver/blue/whatever due to the pure 'unadulterated' genetics,

and a SECOND designer dog, bred to mimick the true. a silver counterfeit if you will.

dennis
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IF... that is a big if. If you saw an occasional silver from legitimate breeders rather that the "silver" breeders showing a mocked up pedigree.

I would say from what I have seen and read, it runs strongly in favor of the designer dog rather than a true unadulterated genetics product.
 
#95 ·
Just reading with curious interest.... I was at a dog show this past weekend and watched a woman walk by with three Anatolian Shephereds. Up from the parking lot walks a family of 4, obviously there as spectators, probably to look at potential breeds for a pet. The mother approaches the lady with her Anatolians and says, "Are those Labs?". The point.... the general public doesn't really know what a lab looks like, much less the difference between field and bench labs. And a Silver Lab would simply be unique.

And the smallest Anatolian this lady had was probably 29" at the shoulder and weighed over 100 lbs. However, I have seen a yellow Lab bitch that was bigger than some Anatolians, so maybe this is what the mother was confusing them with. One of the Anatolians was sort of a silver/grey fawn.

And also, out of curiosity, a silver owner has spoken up and offered up his dog for testing. Why no responses?
 
#96 ·
Splash_em said:
Maybe someone missed this earlier so I'll say it again____ Send me the swaps and you can have your DNA. 2 sites later and still no response.

Again, for the record, as long as this silver dog picks up my birds and loves on my boys, I don't care who his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- grandmother/father slept with.

You want the DNA to prove your witch hunt but fail to respond when you get the invitation. Maybe I'm missing something but, hmmmm. If your scared of the truth, don't ask the questions

I may not be a veterinarian but, I know a horses arse when I see one.
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because that would most likely prove them wrong and no one would be able to post this same thread over and over again (I wouldn't like that because these goofy conversations are fun to read).

You want to really make them talk, register you dog as a chocolate, enter it in some FTs and smoke some of these black labs.
 
#97 ·
My sister has a silver Lab she'd offer up for testing. But seeing as hers is an 8 y.o. spayed female rescue, never bred and never registered, she's definitely NOT interested in ponying up $125.

I'll offer up either of my two SilverFreaks (CBRs) for testing if anyone wants to pay for it. I don't have a spare $125 laying around for entering dog events or DNA testing--especially not when I owe $4000 for trying to save my dog that was hit by a car last mo. To me $125 is several cases of Oodles of Noodles and Ole Roy---I'm broke. Plus I'd be too afraid with my CBRs' DNA on file someone would come back and tell me they have silver Lab in them or that silver Labs are actually Chesadors...;-)

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#98 ·
Julie R. said:
My sister has a silver Lab she'd offer up for testing. But seeing as hers is an 8 y.o. spayed female rescue, never bred and never registered, she's definitely NOT interested in ponying up $125.
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Exactly! If someone with a bone to pick wants to pay to test someone else's silver Lab, well step up! If I had a silver Lab, I would probably do it, but only if the other person also submitted a sample on *their* dog. Woodpiles exist in more bloodlines than just the silver Labs.

All the storefront DNA operations out there offering this test have the same disclaimer, too. "For entertainment purposes only." Ergo, proving nothing (except some people have waaaayyy too much money)

Heck we don't need to pay $125 (or more) for that! We got plenty of free entertainment right here on RTF!

Julie, wonder what Desi (Best of Winners at 2007 NSS, Group winning sire, BIS cousin) would test as? Bet some hound would "pop". Maybe some spaniel, too. What about Airedale? There are documented crosses to all 3 in the 1930s. That's not so long ago.

Lisa
 
#99 ·
I just got into a P*****g match with a silver breeder. My post about it didn't conform with the forums policy and was deleted so I will only make generalizations.

Not so upset about the color they bred for but more from the very young dogs being used, lack of health certs all through the pedigree (obvious), and some claims they made. The breeder did state that she had DNA tests done that prove her dogs are 100% lab. who drew the blood or swabbed and who did the test i don't know.

So if silver isn't accepted as a shade of chocholate then why is "white" or "fox red" accepted as a color of yellow. Could it not be from a little visla, or golden retriever getting crossed in?

i would love to have a "red" but every one i see for sale costs more that a black or yellow from the same litter. is that not taking advantage of the "color" sale too?
 
#100 ·
ErinsEdge said:
The LRC does not accept the Silvers.
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Those be the same people who brought us wine-barrels on legs, and say the FT-breeders bred in some greyhound to get those long legs, lean looks, narrow heads, slick coats, and fast, fast, fast???

Lisa
 
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