"Silver" lab volunteers???

Sharon Potter · Apr 24, 2009

gdluck said:
So if silver isn't accepted as a shade of chocholate then why is "white" or "fox red" accepted as a color of yellow. Could it not be from a little visla, or golden retriever getting crossed in?

White and fox red aren't considered or accepted as anything other than yellow. Anything else is strictly marketing.

;-) Maybe I should start marketing my chocolates as Dark chocolate, Milk chocolate, and maybe if I cross in some pale yellow and get dudleys, I could have White chocolates too.

(note, I am kidding)

Personally, I wish they were just called brown. Or, to be fair, there should be licorice and vanilla and chocolate instead of black, yellow and chocolate.

gsc · Apr 24, 2009

I think we call them chocolates because I would rather have chocolate than liver!!!

Ken Newcomb · Apr 24, 2009

I always thought yellow labs should be marketed as butterscotch labs

Fowl Play WA · Apr 24, 2009

Sharon Potter said:
White and fox red aren't considered or accepted as anything other than yellow. Anything else is strictly marketing.

;-) Maybe I should start marketing my chocolates as Dark chocolate, Milk chocolate, and maybe if I cross in some pale yellow and get dudleys, I could have White chocolates too. (note, I am kidding)

Personally, I wish they were just called brown. Or, to be fair, there should be licorice and vanilla and chocolate instead of black, yellow and chocolate.

Dark chocolate is scientifically proven to be good for your health. There's a marketing phrase for you!

1st retriever · Apr 24, 2009

Ken Newcomb said:
I always thought yellow labs should be marketed as butterscotch labs

Then you could have hot fudge for choc!

marshmonster · Apr 24, 2009

I had two chocolates, named Mocha and Toffee.....and then my vet told me that techinically they were 'liver'

totally ruined their names...

other call names I considered:

chopped
beef
onions
chicken
cirrhosis
etc...

and they just didn't have the right ring.

oh, and 1st retriever, my wife is on a handful of forums with me, and she always saw people in their avatars, and assumed that just about everybody did that....

last night, she asked me point blank why I don't train with you...

after I explained that your name was Steph, and that most likely it was not you in the photo, she asked that i get 'his name' from you

I don't really want it, nor did she, but I thought you'd appreciate the story

1st retriever · Apr 24, 2009

marshmonster said:
I had two chocolates, named Mocha and Toffee.....and then my vet told me that techinically they were 'liver'

totally ruined their names...

other call names I considered:

chopped
beef
onions
chicken
cirrhosis
etc...

and they just didn't have the right ring.

Cirrhosis sit! It's kind of a mouthful!

gsc · Apr 24, 2009

gdluck said:
So if silver isn't accepted as a shade of chocholate then why is "white" or "fox red" accepted as a color of yellow. Could it not be from a little visla, or golden retriever getting crossed in?

i would love to have a "red" but every one i see for sale costs more that a black or yellow from the same litter. is that not taking advantage of the "color" sale too?

Becuase the light cream to red colors are stated as accepted variations of yellow. Silver is not an accepted variation of chocolate. We charge what the market will bear, its called a free market. Selling Silver labs isn't the problem, its registering them and the question of purebred that is the unanswered issue in most minds. As stated earlier, they are viewed by many as the labradoodles, etc. They just claim to be something many do not believe they are.

gsc · Apr 24, 2009

1st retriever said:
Cirrhosis sit! It's kind of a mouthful!

How about foie gras?

Splash_em · Apr 24, 2009

gsc said:
Becuase the light cream to red colors are stated as accepted variations of yellow. Silver is not an accepted variation of chocolate. We charge what the market will bear, its called a free market. Selling Silver labs isn't the problem, its registering them and the question of purebred that is the unanswered issue in most minds. As stated earlier, they are viewed by many as the labradoodles, etc. They just claim to be something many do not believe they are.

The DNA is waiting.....

U want it, I got. That will end the "they just claim to be" argument.

ErinsEdge · Apr 24, 2009

Splash_em said:
The DNA is waiting.....

U want it, I got. That will end the "they just claim to be" argument.

Evidently not if the test is not a valid test if it is for amusement purposes only.

gsc · Apr 24, 2009

Splash_em said:
The DNA is waiting.....

U want it, I got. That will end the "they just claim to be" argument.

LRC has already answered and said no. Silvers are not recognized. Balls in your court and the DNA is appearently not there yet.

Mean time, enjoy your dogs, they don't know or care.

tkgavette@gmail.com · Apr 24, 2009

gsc said:
LRC has already answered and said no. Silvers are not recognized. Balls in your court and the DNA is appearently not there yet.

Mean time, enjoy your dogs, they don't know or care.

LRC - "There is no genetic basis for the silver gene in Labradors."
Then why the other quote, also found in this thread, ... in 1987 we conducted a field survey of silver, etc. etc. and found that they should be registered as chocolate....and so on. You've all read it.

LRC - "The Club opposes the practice of registering silver as chocolate."
They oppose but do not flat out ban it. If this had been done from the begining instead of flip flopping, we would not be having this discussion.

As far as having a discussion with a silver breeder and being treated rudely. Give me a call, I'll give you every health guarantee you want and would find from any other lab breeder. I'm still striving to do better.

ErinsEdge · Apr 24, 2009

LRC - "There is no genetic basis for the silver gene in Labradors."
Then why the other quote, also found in this thread, ... in 1987 we conducted a field survey of silver, etc. etc. and found that they should be registered as chocolate....and so on. You've all read it.

The 1987 quote is from a silver website and not valid.

Ken Newcomb · Apr 24, 2009

tkgavette;

Where in SE South Dakota are you located? I would love to come up and see some silvers in person.....if you wouldn't mind of course.

Splash_em · Apr 24, 2009

Last Frontier Labs said:
After the recent silver lab thread, I contacted the folks at dog-dna.com about whether or not they could identify Weimeraner genes in silver labs.
This is their response...

Sherri,
I just got through talking to Kathy at our lab. We identify breed specific genes within a dog, but not color genes. If a Lab has Weimeraner in its heritage, we should pick that up with our test.
I hope this answers your question. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Regards,

Briana Rogers
Mixed Breed Dog DNA Testing
http://www.dog-dna.com
info@dog-dna.com

I'll remind you of the start of this thread. I didin't jump on this band wagon and say "Here it is boys and girls, the end to the end. Pack up your bumpers and go home."

DNA samples were asked for on 2 sites. Both sites said no one would give it and both sites were WRONG. If LFL wants the DNA, all she has to do is tell me where to send them.

Chocolates were persucuted before the whites, before the fox reds, before the silvers now. What happens if the DNA shows no weim? Lord forbid the----dare I say it---the LRC could be wrong?

Eventually, we will put a man on the moon and elect a black president. Someday, maybe someday.

tkgavette--Good looking dog you have there in your avatar.

gsc · Apr 24, 2009

Splash_em said:
Chocolates were persucuted before the whites, before the fox reds, before the silvers now. What happens if the DNA shows no weim? Lord forbid the----dare I say it---the LRC could be wrong?

Eventually, we will put a man on the moon and elect a black president. Someday, maybe someday.

tkgavette--Good looking dog you have there in your avatar.

The early labs also had brindle and tan points, they have like wise not been allowed and are hardly ever seen. What's your point?

Splash_em · Apr 24, 2009

gsc said:
What's your point?

I can register the dog with the UKC.
I can register the dog with the AKC.
Didn't even know there were such things until after I had him.

Do you truly think I care what you and the LRC think about me, my dog, or the other 100,000 like him?

My point is:
1. As dog owners and lovers, why would someone spout off about a dog's color if you have absolutely no evidence to prove that he isn't purebred?

2. Things change with time my friend and only time will prove who is right.

GoodDog · Apr 24, 2009

Here is a cool site with some interesting mismarks.

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/mismarks.html

Splash_em · Apr 25, 2009

Straight from the LRC site:
LABRADOR RETRIEVER BREED STANDARD
(effective March 31, 1994)

Glad this to see that nothing has changed in the world in the last 15 years.

"Silver" lab volunteers???

Sharon Potter

gsc

Ken Newcomb

Fowl Play WA

1st retriever

marshmonster

1st retriever

gsc

gsc

Splash_em

ErinsEdge

gsc

tkgavette@gmail.com

ErinsEdge

Ken Newcomb

Splash_em

gsc

Splash_em

GoodDog

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