Popping during a FT (Qualifying)..what would you do?

Guest · Aug 18, 2009

JS said:
When I say we are done competing, I mean I'm thinking about the next trial, and I'm going into training mode when it happens. No greenie is worth letting them establish a bad weekend habit.

At a recent trial (in the Q), a dog popped on the memory mark of the water triple. The handler waited it out then finally calmly took a step to the right and the dog took the "handle" to the bird. Dog placed second.

So....would you let them get away with a bad weekend habit for a reddie? ;-)

Lisa Van Loo · Aug 18, 2009

Melanie Foster said:
So....would you let them get away with a bad weekend habit for a reddie? ;-)

It depends!

On the dog, his/her track record for attitude in training, ditto for under judgement, whether I thought it would be his/her first, last and only ribbon, etc., etc....

Lisa

Ted Shih · Aug 18, 2009

I am surprised - disappointed - to see so many act as though a pop on a blind is a serious fault. As John stated, it is only a minor fault.

DRAKEHAVEN · Aug 18, 2009

Ted Shih said:
I am surprised - disappointed - to see so many act as though a pop on a blind is a serious fault. As John stated, it is only a minor fault.

Why are you surprised ?

With knowledge and experience comes understanding and compassion.

Nothing on this board surprises me.

You can't even win a National without someone taking a cheap shot at you.

You can't buy CLASS...........

RetrieversONLINE · Aug 18, 2009

Janice Gunn said:
How about this.......the dog that WON the Cdn Amateur National 2009
popped twice and handled twice on the land quad !!!!!!

There WAS one dog that had NO handles thru-out the National and
good blinds...yet some how the judges awarded the win to the above?????
Polictics suck!

The dog that WON did not pop twice nor did he handle twice- seems you have some dogs mixed up. Also, more than 1 dog had NO handles. ANd perhaps the judges saw some serious faults that you did not?

While politics may suck, there was none in the results of this National.

Loren Crannell · Aug 18, 2009

Ted Shih said:
it is only a minor fault.

This is an important point for me. I can only hope the judges will look at as a minor fault also.

I do want to work on this before I enter her, but I will probably enter her sooner than later. She is a great marking dog and handles very well. Plus she works her tail off every day in training.

I hope she doesn't pop but at least I know it's not a 100% deal killer.

Loren

Lee W · Aug 18, 2009

Janice Gunn said:
How about this.......the dog that WON the Cdn Amateur National 2009
popped twice and handled twice on the land quad !!!!!!

There WAS one dog that had NO handles thru-out the National and
good blinds...yet some how the judges awarded the win to the above?????
Polictics suck!

Perhaps the dog that did not win had more serious faults than the dog that won. Just because the dog had good marks and good blinds not mean that it was good online or was not noisy or perhaps it was hard on birds or maybe it did not look like it wanted to be there (style) or a number of other faults that could lead up to the difference of Wining or finishing...

John Robinson · Aug 18, 2009

Loren Crannell said:
This is an important point for me. I can only hope the judges will look at as a minor fault also.

I do want to work on this before I enter her, but I will probably enter her sooner than later. She is a great marking dog and handles very well. Plus she works her tail off every day in training.

I hope she doesn't pop but at least I know it's not a 100% deal killer.

Loren

Unlike cheating water where if you let your dog get away with it in trial after trial, but enforce honesty in training, that leads to a "trial wise" dog that knows what he can get away with without the collar on, I don't think a young dog popping in a minor stake is getting away with anything. My Cody went through a stage in early quals where he would always pop as he crossed a line to the previous series marks. This in cases where the judges moved the line to the blind off to the side and ran a blind across the prior test. I always hoped Cody was a little offline so I could blow a sit whistle just before he popped, then give him a back cast in the correct direction.

Cody eventually gained convidence and progressed to a point where popping wasn't a concern anymore. I look at popping as a confidence issue and don't believe it is a habit. I do believe that it can be solved in training. In the mean time go on and run your dog in quals and see what happens. In my book a pop can drop you a placement in a qual but not eliminate you.

John

Kevin Hannah · Aug 18, 2009

RetrieversONLINE said:
The dog that WON did not pop twice nor did he handle twice- seems you have some dogs mixed up. Also, more than 1 dog had NO handles. ANd perhaps the judges saw some serious faults that you did not?

While politics may suck, there was none in the results of this National.

I bet you had a better view than Janice had

JS · Aug 19, 2009

BrianG. said:
Well at this point you would be on your way home.

I understand that. And that would be my choice. ;-)

JS

JS · Aug 19, 2009

Melanie Foster said:
So....would you let them get away with a bad weekend habit for a reddie? ;-)

Not consciously, but it may make me hesitate a little before yelling ,"back".

JS

JS · Aug 19, 2009

Ted Shih said:
I am surprised - disappointed - to see so many act as though a pop on a blind is a serious fault. As John stated, it is only a minor fault.

I understand that, but so is a little, bitty creep. ;-)

JS

Ted Shih · Aug 19, 2009

BrianG. said:
Well at this point you would be on your way home.

Why would you be on your way home?

Ted Shih · Aug 19, 2009

JS said:
I understand that, but so is a little, bitty creep. ;-)

JS

And your point is?

JS · Aug 19, 2009

Ted Shih said:
And your point is?

My point is if I had a dog with the propensity to pop, I would probably not be at the trial.

If I were at the trial with a dog that had no habit of popping, and he/she popped there, I would be concerned about a situational problem.

JS

Ted Shih · Aug 19, 2009

I think people are over reacting to a pop ... on a BLIND.

Maybe the dog is running through an old fall and is uncertain about honoring its nose.
Maybe the dog heard a sound and thought it was a whistle.
Maybe it just got confused.

I don't think any of these are reasons to drop a dog.
I don't think any of these are reasons not to run a dog ... in a Q.

The Q is where I work out the bugs with my young dogs and see how they perform on game day.

MikeBoley · Aug 19, 2009

and Nelson has the bugs worked out and is perfroming nicely Ted.

JusticeDog · Aug 19, 2009

Ted Shih said:
I think people are over reacting to a pop ... on a BLIND.

Maybe the dog is running through an old fall and is uncertain about honoring its nose.
Maybe the dog heard a sound and thought it was a whistle.
Maybe it just got confused.

I don't think any of these are reasons to drop a dog.
I don't think any of these are reasons not to run a dog ... in a Q.

The Q is where I work out the bugs with my young dogs and see how they perform on game day.

Ted-

Leaving "correctness" aside.... which, of course, you are correct ie: minor fault...... have you ever seen a dog survive a Q because of a pop? In this circuit, in the past 5 years, I have not.

I had a dog that was running a nice trial..... popped on the water blind.... we were on our way home. Except, I stayed around to watch my "prediction" come true.....

One of the judge's training buddies was running. His dog did not hit the wide slot between 2 pines, and ran wildly up on down a corn row until he stumbled on the pin for the land blind. Ran a VERY wide corridor on the water blind. Marks were hunty..... (hunt test dog trying to transition to FTs).

I had predicted that IF that dog was called back from the first series (1 &2 were combined), that it would be the winner..... my friends said "NO WAY" ..... they still talk about my "prediction."

So, I am curious... in your circuit(s).... have you seen a Q dog survive a pop?

Practical application of the rules, regards-

EdA · Aug 19, 2009

JusticeDog said:
: minor fault...... have you ever seen a dog survive a Q because of a pop? In this circuit, in the past 5 years, I have not.
-

so does that somehow ratify an incorrect interpretation of the rules???

where on the blind did the pop occur?.......10 yards or 200 yards when the dog winded the blind, there is a difference, a pop on a blind is not a finite offense and nowhere in the rules is it identified as such

and yes, my dog got 3rd 2 weeks ago with 2 pops at the end of a land blind into the wind when he winded the blind before he got there, thanks to the judges for recognizing what happened

JusticeDog · Aug 19, 2009

EdA said:
so does that somehow ratify an incorrect interpretation of the rules???

I DIDN'T say that.... I was asking, practically speaking, how many times have you seen a dog survive a pop on a Q blind? I have not in my circuit in the past 5 years. Perhaps the point is, the incorrect interpretation of the rules.... NEVER did I say it should be ratified. Many times there is a difference in the rules, and how they are applied..... this is one of those area, I believe.

The second point being, that if you believe that you will be allowed a pop on a Q blind, that you could end up being sorely disappointed.

So, in your circuit Dr. Ed you can obviously survive.... what about the other circuits? Do you think you were penalized because of the pops ie: lower placement?

Popping during a FT (Qualifying)..what would you do?

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