Packleader wins! re: Pat Nolan :)

john fallon · Jan 3, 2010

PackLeader said:
Evan,

I am going to film a video just like it of my dog doing direction work on the FEMA diamond. Will that make you happy?

Don't bother with the FEMA diamond. Film your dog doing dbl T and if that goes well try a W drill.

john

Kenneth Niles Bora · Jan 3, 2010

PackLeader said:
If you are asking that I introduce my current dog to birds, I'm sorry I can't help you.

I can bring birds!!!!
Folk who actually train retrievers always have birds.
I can bring um when I come down……
You don’t have any birds?
how do you train retrievers then????

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J Hoggatt · Jan 3, 2010

A few words:

Apples to Apples - when it is convenient to PL.

Apples and Oranges - when it is not......

Everyone is wasting time here..... PL - doesn't know "our game" and is unwilling to admit it.

PL - have you watched a FT or HT?; Have you ever participated in a HT or FT?; Have you trained a dog that has participated in a HT or FT - (MH, QAA or Higher stake)?

Another note:

I have a Carpenter friend - (Professional / Does Carpentry work for a living) he would be someone I hire for my home.
BUT…….
That friend – I wouldn't hire to build a new commercial building or football stadium….

So just because you come here and “tell me” you are a professional – really doesn’t mean much until I know what you have built…….

PackLeader · Jan 3, 2010

Evan said:
Why not. You're an authority on this type of fieldwork, aren't you? If you must, use bumpers, but do the same thing, alrighty?

Or just do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVB3t5jFPKE .

Evan

Yeah that's what I want to see, six corrections on the way to the blind..They even had a splice in the video where they edited it out because the dog scks...LOL

But if that is what you want to see then ok..It's snowing here now but I will make a video soon. Don't cha worry..

Chris Miller · Jan 3, 2010

Baaahaaa, the dog is not being corrected, those are called "cast". Its how you handle a dog to a blind. Wasn't pretty but thats another story. I highly doubt you could get your anywhere near the bumper

Admit it you have no clue.

Evan · Jan 3, 2010

PackLeader said:
Yeah that's what I want to see, six corrections on the way to the blind..They even had a splice in the video where they edited it out because the dog scks...LOL

But if that is what you want to see then ok..It's snowing here now but I will make a video soon. Don't cha worry..

Okay,

Lesson #1: Those weren't "corrections", dip stick. They were handles, aka "casts". We teach our dogs to handle in order to guide them to unknown destinations, aka "Blind retrieves".

And I strongly suspect you're the only one on this board to whom I needed to explain that. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Evan

Polock · Jan 3, 2010

PackLeader said:
Yeah that's what I want to see, six corrections on the way to the blind..They even had a splice in the video where they edited it out because the dog scks...LOL

But if that is what you want to see then ok..It's snowing here now but I will make a video soon. Don't cha worry..

PL, You really don't get it do ya!...........

Polock, trying to understand why folks are even giving ya the time day....

Evan · Jan 3, 2010

Chris Miller said:
Baaahaaa, the dog is not being corrected, those are called "cast". Its how you handle a dog to a blind. Wasn't pretty but thats another story.

Bear in mind there was a 20 mph crosswind.

Evan

Matthew Hambright · Jan 3, 2010

PackLeader said:
Yeah that's what I want to see, six corrections on the way to the blind..They even had a splice in the video where they edited it out because the dog scks...LOL

But if that is what you want to see then ok..It's snowing here now but I will make a video soon. Don't cha worry..

Packleader,

I have been unable to respond to your previous posts and was just able to respond to your pm a day or two ago..

Pacleader, you have been unable to anwser any of my questions or anyone elses for that matter, directley..

Its kinda like one of those tests you have to take at school, you know the test is coming, you didnt study, so on test day, you show up, scratch your butt, and pull something out that doesnt stink too bad!

I know were supposed to be respectful on this site, and thats the golden rule, but since you disrespected me on this site more than once, Ill be more than happy to oblige you on calling you out!

Anwser these three questions directley please...
1. How do you teach with an e collar for the command "HERE or COME"?
(Please explain your method in detail)

2. How is using the E collar for teaching instead of reinforcing more effective?
(Please dont refer me to a website that talks about tennis balls and koehlers leash trainging from 1949)

3. Just wondering if you were ever taught not to disrespect your elders?

Leddyman · Jan 3, 2010

2tall said:
Herein lies your problem. You really DON'T KNOW......do you? I think I understand a lot more about where you are coming from. Reread Evan's post and understand what we are doing here before you try to tell us how to do it. It has nothing to do with Pat Nolan. I have used his videos to train my dog to cast to mats, just for another control drill. But......that is not what his whole retriever training program is based on. This one thing has been taken out of context.

Hey 2tall, is it just me or didn't you know that by the third post?

There ain't nothing wrong with training pet dogs to be pet dogs, but it don't translate to field trial or hunt test success.

HarryWilliams · Jan 3, 2010

Slow morning, I read the whole thing. WOW! Kinda reminds me of a new kid in school. Probably best to feel your way around unless you want to make a splash. You would think a pack leader would understand pack mentality. Or like a flock of chickens when they sense something is wrong with one of them --- the pecking starts. Oh, we are not dealing with dogs or birds-- it's humans now that's different. Have a Safe New Year everybody. HPW

JS · Jan 3, 2010

Polock said:
PL, You really don't get it do ya!...........

Polock, trying to understand why folks are even giving ya the time day....

OK wise guy from Texas! It's 6 below up here with 18" of snow & ice on the ground! This is the only entertainment we got til the Packers play at 3:00!

JS

2tall · Jan 3, 2010

Leddyman said:
Hey 2tall, is it just me or didn't you know that by the third post?

There ain't nothing wrong with training pet dogs to be pet dogs, but it don't translate to field trial or hunt test success.

I think I knew it from his first post ever, but wanted to see if he worked it out. I finally acknowledged that he really... just... does... not... know what we do when he posted the question himself re the vid of the dog running the trail in the snow, "How is this different from a dog running a blind"

PackLeader · Jan 3, 2010

2tall said:
I think I knew it from his first post ever, but wanted to see if he worked it out. I finally acknowledged that he really... just... does... not... know what we do when he posted the question himself re the vid of the dog running the trail in the snow, "How is this different from a dog running a blind"

Look at the dogs face before I "send" him..This dog is not running into the woods on his own, he has no idea if his intended target is where I'm sending him or not. I understand about handling part that was not my point...

By sucking I ment the dog is drifting, sucking, or being pulled from the intended line...It says in the video that it's the wind..I don't think that is entirely accurate. Anyway I never claimed it to be the next best method for SR. I think this thread is over!

J Hoggatt · Jan 3, 2010

IT is over-- You don't answer Direct Questions.......

Kenneth Niles Bora · Jan 3, 2010

PackLeader said:
I think this thread is over!

Silly Smackleader,
This is Kristie’s Thread to start or finish. Started so you could be justified.
How did that work for you Kristie? Did we all “Just Fry” as you had planned?;-)

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Evan · Jan 3, 2010

PackLeader said:
By sucking I ment the dog is drifting, sucking, or being pulled from the intended line...It says in the video that it's the wind..I don't think that is entirely accurate. Anyway I never claimed it to be the next best method for SR. I think this thread is over!

Alrighty, then. When you make your video, make sure it's at least 200 yards to the blind in a 20 mph crossing wind. Also make sure it's a cold bilnd, rather than one the dog has already run, and by all means don't let him "suck"!

Evan...who will be anxiously waiting............waiting............................waiting...........................not.

AmiableLabs · Jan 3, 2010

Howard N said:
Kevin, the dog misses a cast, we blow the whistle, burn, and give the cast again. The burn was indirect pressure for the missed cast, but it was direct pressure for the sit.

Howard, we still use direct pressure, but the overall training philosophy where direct pressure is the norm and the preferred has been rejected.

Guest · Jan 3, 2010

Ken Bora said:
Silly Smackleader,
This is Kristie’s Thread to start or finish. Started so you could be justified.
How did that work for you Kristie? Did we all “Just Fry” as you had planned?;-)

.

LOL, I posted it to be fair and then ran in the other direction and am only reading the last page right now.

Matthew Hambright · Jan 3, 2010

Hambone84 said:
Packleader,

I have been unable to respond to your previous posts and was just able to respond to your pm a day or two ago..

Pacleader, you have been unable to anwser any of my questions or anyone elses for that matter, directley..

Its kinda like one of those tests you have to take at school, you know the test is coming, you didnt study, so on test day, you show up, scratch your butt, and pull something out that doesnt stink too bad!

I know were supposed to be respectful on this site, and thats the golden rule, but since you disrespected me on this site more than once, Ill be more than happy to oblige you on calling you out!

Anwser these three questions directley please...
1. How do you teach with an e collar for the command "HERE or COME"?
(Please explain your method in detail)

2. How is using the E collar for teaching instead of reinforcing more effective?
(Please dont refer me to a website that talks about tennis balls and koehlers leash trainging from 1949)

3. Just wondering if you were ever taught not to disrespect your elders?

Packleader,

Still waiting? If you cant comply just let me know?

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Evan

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